October 30, 2012 Session of Biblical Discernment Exploration

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A full transcription of this session is provided below the notes.


I am seeing an army and their armor is camouflaged and it is changing from green to
blue and red. They are standing in a wheat field.
Proverbs 8 I wisdom cries out in the street. Wisdom is available to us and is not being
withheld from us in any way. We have to put away from our limited belief system. We
are limited by what we think He can give us. We have to dare to come up higher to
step into a new place.
He shall be upon you. For at this time it is He who will give you the answer and you
who will reap the benefits for His glory. Your enemies shall crumble beneath your feet
and turn into dust like little pieces of grain. Do not plant these pieces of grain.
Seeing a picture of the children of God in a field and sacrifices being made to Molech. I
saw that we were going above the sacrifices of Molech. What is this realm? This is
where the sacrifices are being held. This is the Kingdom of Darkness. What was this
place supposed to be? It has something about the souls of men being released and the
Lord of the Harvest.
Bible references:
Genesis 6:1-8
Job 1:6, 2:1
Genesis 10:8
Genesis 11
Genesis 14
Jude 8
Psalm 10
Psalm 82
Romans 8
1 Samuel 28
Deuteronomy 32:7-15
Matthew 26:64
Revelation 14:14
Matthew 13:37-43
Matthew 9:38
Psalm 107:40
Matthew 24-29
Matthew 9:38



Father, we just welcome your presence, and we, as Americans, in fact, in the world are concerned about those on the East Coast, and so we ask, Lord, for your provision and mercy, for your care of those who are suffering right now, and have lost loved ones, for the devastation that has taken place. We just ask for a mighty intervention of your hand, and, Lord, that in all this, your Name will be glorified, and may all come into your kingdom. We desire, Lord, that during this time we are together, that you will guide us and direct us, and encourage us and teach us, so that we will be doing what you are doing. In your Name we ask. Amen.

Well we have a few here at Aslan’s Place in Apple Valley CA, and as you relate to us via text, or we put you on the screen, we invite you to communicate with us. We really do want to hear what you are getting. Also we’d like to know if you have any questions about discernment, which we’re feeling we’d like to be involved in all this, and have you involved also, so that this is not simply a seminar where you are listening, but rather, it is very interactive.

So the way that I operate during these sessions is that I wait to see what is happening in the spiritual world, and then we start there. So I had nothing until Brian said it was time to start, and then I felt something, and this is brand new revelation; it’s ongoing. We just came back from Hawaii a weekend ago, and there we felt like the Lord showed us many very, very interesting things. So we want to pursue that.

If you turn your bibles to Genesis chapter 6, and we’ll start with verse 1. In fact so we can have some participation here, Linda, do you want to read – we’ll read verses 1-8. Can you read that?


Sure. “Now when it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful. And they took wives for themselves, of all whom they chose. And the Lord said, my spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh, yet his days shall be 120 years. There were giants on the earth in those days and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and he was grieved in his heart. So the Lord said, ‘I will destroy man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.”


That was great. This is a very familiar passage, and in previous coachings, we have talked about this. And the term that we want to look at is the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and they took wives for themselves of all of whom they chose. And then, if you look down later, at verse 4, the result of the sexual relationships between the sons of God and the daughters of men were the Nephilim. And again, this has been discussed an awful lot, in literature over the last two centuries, or even the millenniums.   So the Nephilim are the result, and so the Lord started talking to us about the sons of God, and I started pondering all this, wondering who the sons of God are, and over the course of several years now, we have started wondering in a more specific way. Now be assured that we are here talking about exploration and discernment, and wondering. I always get nervous as we do these coachings, that those who listen to it now or later say that this is what we are teaching. I would prefer to say this is what we are wondering. And part of what we want to do is that as the body of Christ, those of us that are together now, that we explore this.

Now let’s look first at the sons of God. Many years ago I was in New York City. I was praying with someone, and this person had a vision by the Lord, of a time before conception, and also the Lord took her back to a very early time, maybe when the earth was created or somewhere around that time. And she saw these beings that were the sons of God. And then some of them rebelled against God, and they decided then that they were going to establish their own universe and universes.

And when she first said this it was very troubling to me, though there’s many interesting passages in the bible about this, and we don’t have time to look at them all. But if you go to Job chapter 1, and as many of you know, this is a very early book in the bible, probably the earliest, and we’re just looking today at this, as perhaps it was written shortly after the Noah’s flood.

And you go to Job 1:6 and you have “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan, which means the adversary, well the adversary was also among them, and the Lord said to the adversary or Satan, “From where do you come?” Then you go over to chapter 2, verse 1 again, “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. Now I want you to notice in both cases here, that the emphasis is not on Satan; the emphasis is on the sons of God. The emphasis really is on what is happening to the sons of God, and it just happens to mention, “and Satan was among them.” Now the Lord does talk to Satan obviously in both cases, but notice it’s the sons of God that came and presented themselves before the Lord.

And so, in the process of all this prayer session, it started to become apparent that these beings perhaps were the first that rebelled against God in the heavenly places. They decided they were going to bypass the kingdom order, or the order of the King of kings and the Lord of lords, and that they wanted to establish a new, new universes, and that perhaps, and again this is all conjecture right now. We’re just talking. Perhaps they need to enlist Lucifer or Satan, because he had been given charge over the earth as a cherub. Now what they did is they decided that they were not going to follow the order of God, and they were going to actually mate directly with the daughters of men, and they did do that. And as they did that, the children who were the Nephilim were born.

Now there is a lot of information about the Nephilim and the Giants throughout the bible and of course, I had no idea that we were going to do this when I started, because I just felt, I actually felt the righteous sons of God when we just began. You go to a later chapter in Genesis, and you have the story of Nimrod, and so you have chapter 10 in Genesis, Chapter 10, verse 8, “And Cush begat Nimrod and he began. And that word actually means, ’was fatally wounded’. And he began to be a mighty one on the earth. And it occurred to us recently that, as a result of some reading that I had done, that perhaps a mighty one may also be a Nephilim, or Nephilim-like being, a giant. And he was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Therefore it was said, like Nimrod, the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of this kingdom was Babylon, Erech, Accad, etc.

And then you go to chapter 11. “The whole earth had one language and one speech, and it came to pass as they journeyed from the east, and they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and this is where Babylon is, they dwelt there. And they said to one another, “Come let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone and they had asphalt for mortar. They said, “Come let us build ourselves a city and a tower, whose top is in the heavens.” And I checked in the Hebrew and it actually means ‘heavens’, so the top was meant to be in the dimensions, and then look at this phrase, “Let us make a name for ourselves.” I had a man who has been on many coaching sessions and emails me, he said that everything is in the name of Jesus, but what they want to do is they want to get another name. And so they said, “Let us make a name for ourselves.” (Perhaps being these Nephilim, or maybe even the fallen sons of God.) “But the Lord came down, (verse 5), to see the city and tower which the sons of men had built, and the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and all have one language, this is what they intend to do. Now, if they agree, nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. So this whole issue of unity, and I’ve quoted this many times, the whole issue of unity, that if they become one, that is, they agree, then the unity allows certain spiritual power.

Now you go over to Psalm chapter 10, and I’m wondering if these are also the Nephilim, and there are other names for the giants. In fact hold on to Psalm 10. Go back to Genesis 13. Genesis 14, excuse me. “And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel.” Now, I’ve done some study of this, and some have wondered if Amraphel is Nimrod. “The days of Amraphel, king of Shinar.” Incidentally, this is very interesting that Nimrod and Abraham could have been at the same time, even Adam, because of the length of time that he lived. Of course, that line disappeared at the flood. But Abraham and Nimrod, not Adam, but Abraham and Nimrod very likely lived at the same time. This is very interesting. So you have Amraphel, who could be Nimrod, the king of Shinar. You know Shinar is the same place where Nimrod was.

Then you have Arioch, the king of Ellasar. That name, I have some notes here. It means oak or heap of Assyria. It can also be translated, “Servant of the moon god.” And, of course, the moon god is Allah. Also, Jericho means the city of the moon. And Jericho is the first city that the Lord had Joshua and the people take out. OK, and then you have Chedorlaomer, and let’s see if I have my note here, which means, “hand full of sheaves”, and it’s probably Persian, King of Elam, and Tidal, King of the Peoples. Tidal was a Hittite. His name means, “Son of evil’, which might indicate the Nephilim. But, they made war with Bera. O.K. I’m sorry. Let me go back. I think Bera means” Son of evil”. So I’ll change that. And that they made war with Bera, Son of evil, king of Sodom, and of course we know about Sodom. And I’ll see if I can find my notes here. And Absada appears to be another post for an outbreak of the Nephilim. In fact, if you go to Jude, verse 8, and this is, I’m still really pondering this, and again this came up today, Jude verse 8, where it talks about Sodom and Gomorra. Now let’s go to Jude verse 6, “And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode”. Now I need to do a little parenthesis here. Many times we translate the word, Angelas, into angels and there are times when it actually means messengers. When you talk about John, the Baptist, it says he was an angel, but he was a messenger, he was not an angel. I’m wondering, because we are talking about the fallen sons of God, that they are not angels, but they are messengers, “who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode. He was reserved in everlasting chains, utter darkness, for the judgment of the great day. And Sodom and Gomorra, and the cities around them, in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality, and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example.

Now in the past, we have said that the strange flesh was homosexuality, but I am wondering if the strange flesh could have been these fallen sons of God that manifested and had sex with the women. OK Question.


What about the spirits that wanted the soul parts?


OK Ken wants to know about the spirits that wanted soul parts. We are going to hang on to that. Don’t forget to remind me. OK so we go back to chapter 14 in Genesis, verse 2. So you have Shinar, king of Admath, which means a principle or cliff, and you have Shemeber, which means soaring on high, king of Zeboiim. Incidentally, Zeboiim, I believe, is a giant. “That is Zoar. All of these joined together in the valley of Siddim, that is, the Salt Sea. Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled. In the fourteenth year of Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him came and attacked the Rephaim.” So there is your answer right now. The Rephaim are the giants, and they appear to be the spirits of the Nephilim who died. Now remember that humanity is created by God, and God breathes into them the breath of life. So these beings are not God breathed. They are not human. They are giants. And more than likely, it appears that the second generation of these Nephilim, perhaps they came back somehow as the Rephaim. And there are other names for the giants also. We’ll talk more about that later, if time permits.


So am I understanding that there were no females that they could marry of their own kind?


That is a good question that I’ve wondered about. Were there female… (Vera– sons of God)… yeah, female Nephilim or Rephaim. Once – OK, what happens if the Nephilim had children, and they had children through normal sexual intercourse, so that you have then a combination in the DNA, of the Nephilim or the Rephaim and humanity? So then the child, the son or daughter of that mating of the Nephilim with a human, perhaps they do have a child that is human, but now their DNA and their RNA are contaminated. I wonder about that.

We’re going to explore who the sons of God are in a little bit, so it’s possible that there could be female sons of God. But we can talk about that in a bit.

Alright, so now we have all this going on in chapter 14. Incidentally, David, when he fights against the Philistines, and he takes Mount Zion, and he takes Jerusalem, he fights in the valley of the Rephaim. It’s a long ‘a’, so its reef – ay – em. Now we go to Psalm chapter 10. And I am wondering if this is talking about the ungodly mighty ones. “Why do you stand afar off, O Lord? Why do you hide in times of trouble? The wicked in his pride persecutes the poor.“ We’re wondering if this is the Nephilim or the Rephaim. Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised, for the wicked boasts of his heart’s desire. He blesses the greedy and renounces the Lord. The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God. God is in none of his thoughts. His ways are always prospering. His judgments are far off and out of sight. All his enemies, he sneers at them. He said in his heart, I shall not be moved. I shall never be in adversity. His mouth is full of cursing, deceit and oppression. Under his tongue is trouble and iniquity. He sits in the lurking places of the villages. In the secret places he murders the innocent. His eyes are secretly fixed on the helpless. He lies awake secretly as a lion in his den. He lies in wait on the couch of the poor. He catches the poor when he draws him into his net, so he crouches; he lies low, that the helpless may fall by his strength.

Now I want to check right now to make sure that I am correct. So that’s psalm 10, and verse10. OK now I am trying to find. Let’s see verse 11. Somewhere in here, and remember, I did not prepare for this. OK. He has said in his heart, “God has forgotten. He hides his face. He will never see.”

Now we were wondering, is God here talking perhaps about these mighty ones, these Nephilim?

“Arise, O God, and lift your hand.” And it goes on. Then go to Psalm 82. Remember that we’re talking here about being mighty. That was in Psalm 10. Psalm 82, “God stands in the congregation of the mighty and he judges among the who? (Participants – The gods.) The gods. How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?” So here again we have the sense of the wicked, the partiality to defend the poor and the fatherless, to do justice to the wicked. (Participant – Wow!) Verse 4 Deliver the poor and needy. Free them from the hands of the wicked. They do not know nor do they understand. They walk about in darkness. All the fountains of the earth are unstable. “I said,” and God is talking to them, “you are gods,” and it actually means Elohim. This is very disturbing. You are Elohim, and you are children of the most high, but you shall die like men, and fall like one of the, and the word is actually, one of the shining ones. (Participant – Wow!)

Michael Heisner has done a whole study on the shining ones, and he believes it goes all the way back to the fall. But we are not going to go into that discussion now.

Alright, so we have been pondering this and I started wondering, are we the sons of God before we came to earth. Now I’m just wondering. We’re just wondering here. OK? You go to Romans, chapter 8, Romans chapter 8. Ken says we’re shifting somewhere. OK Romans chapter 8, and you’re very familiar with this passage. 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly awaits for the revealing of what? (Participants – the sons of God) of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it in hope, because creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Now isn’t it interesting that first he uses “sons of God”, “He is waiting for the revelation of the sons of God”. And then he says, “Into the glorious liberty of the children of God”. Now isn’t it interesting that first he uses “sons of God”, “He is waiting for the revelation of the sons of God”. And then he says, “Into the glorious liberty of the children of God”. So we are, right, the children of God when we are redeemed. In Christ Jesus, we accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior. We are redeemed. We are transferred from the kingdom of darkness into his glorious light. But, is the creation waiting for us to understand that we are the sons of God?

So I was pondering this and we talked when I was in Hawaii two weekends ago. And this man came up to me and he said, “I want to talk to you about what you just said. And I thought, “Here it goes. I’m in trouble; I have misspoken; I’m in theologically dangerous waters, and you know, I go through all this in my mind.” Then he says,” I believe absolutely that you are right.” He says, “I want you to look at Luke 3:38.” Now this is in the line of Joseph. So look at Lk3:23 “Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli.” Now, notice that this is the lineage of Joseph. It goes all the way back to verse 38,”the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.” So we are told very clearly here that Adam is a son of God.

Then I was even more shocked when I came to the passage in 1 Sam 28. Now again the word for sons of God is Elohim. You need to understand that, in both cases here. OK let me go back. So, ’sons of God’ in the Hebrew is Elohim. So I wondered, OK if you take the Septuagint, and translate that from the Hebrew into the Greek, because the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew bible, what phrase do you get? Is it the same phrase as in Romans chapter 8? So I went to the Septuagint, and guess what? It’s the son of Theos, or the son of God. It is actually exactly the same word as translated from the sons of God in Hebrew and the sons of God in Greek.

Now, 1 Sam 28 is one of the most disturbing passages to me, as a guy involved in the deliverance ministry and exploring the spiritual world. And I did not know how to deal with this because, well let’s read it and you’ll see why. 1 Sam 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, “Find me a woman who is a medium that I may go to her and inquire of her.” Now isn’t it interesting that it says, “Then David inquired of the Lord.” But Saul doesn’t want to do that, because he doesn’t like the Lord’s opinion. So he wants to get a second opinion. “That I may go to her and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, “In fact, there is a woman who is a medium of En Dor,” which of course, if you’ve been to Disneyland, it’s the, Endor is the name of the planet in the ride there.   So Saul disguised himself and went off and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, “Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.” Then the woman said to him, “Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?” And Saul swore to her by the Lord, saying, “As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!” and the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw an Elohim”. It does not say, “I saw a spirit”. I saw a son of God. Get this, “ascending on the earth. And he said to her, “and what is his form? So she says, “I see a son of God coming out of the earth, and what is his form? And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle, and Saul perceived that it was Samuel. Now notice that his form was Samuel. Who was he? He was an Elohim, but he took on the form of Samuel. So, is it possible, Ken? You are a son of God, and your form is Ken.

Alright, so now we need to have a discussion, additions. While Brian is getting ready for that, if you go to Deut, I think around 32.


Can we just let you know? (Paul – Yes.) So far we don’t have any questions or comments that have been submitted, but I need to bump the volume, so pause for just a moment, so I can do that. OK that’s it. Go ahead and continue. Thank you.


Incidentally, when you are dealing with the fallen sons of God, this explains mythology totally. If you watched any of the current movies, Thor, the Avengers, what are some of the other ones? Many times they’ll show the Roman Gods or the Greek gods, Greek pantheon, you have the 12 gods around, and those Gods actually come to earth and they have sex with the women. So this explains the pantheons of Greece, Rome, the Scandinavian pantheons, the gods of Valhalla, all this.

You look at Deuteronomy 32:7 “Remember the days of old. Consider the years of many generations. Ask your father and he will show you, your elders and they will tell you. When the most high divided their inheritance, to the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number,” and that’s actually the number of the sons of God, not the sons of Israel. I would commend to you the book by Michael Heiser, The Myth That is True. It’s an internet book. He is a Hebrew ancient language student. He also is a consultant for Logos bible software. So we are not talking about some guy who does not understand the original languages and the ancient languages. And he goes into a lot of the language work for much of Genesis 1, Genesis 6, and Deut 32, and then other passages. I really commend this to you as you, as we study this more carefully.

But now if you look on, in verse 15, chapter 32, Deuteronomy, look at this:

“But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked;

You grew fat, you grew thick,

You are obese!

Then he forsook God, who made him,

And scornfully esteemed the rock of his salvation.

They provoked him to jealousy with foreign gods; (Paul – OK so they had the word, gods.)

With abominations they provoked him to anger

They sacrificed to gods, not to God,

To gods they did not know.

So here again, this is the whole issue of the fact that these fallen sons of god are being worshipped, and not the Lord God of all.

Let me, while we’re waiting for, perhaps some comments or questions, I think I may have already shared this on a previous coaching. We had a lady come in a few weeks ago. And it was the first time I realized that I was discerning a Rephaim. And she saw it as a being that was off to her left hand side, in front of her. I actually said, “Well, will you walk over there, and put your hand there?” and I realized it was a fallen son of God. So, I discerned that and she went on to say that she actually does prayer ministry. She has been a Christian for a very long time. She has been quite a student of the bible. And she says, “I do not know what this is, but I know that I do not seem to have authority over it. And this one is so evil it will not respond to the name of Jesus.” And so, I thought, “Well, that’s nice. How are we going to deal with this one?” And the process, I believe these are all words of knowledge. We are dealing with beings that are called the sons of God, perhaps our name before we come through conception between our father and mother. It’s possible, oh excuse me, so they come and they are the sons of God.

So, if we go back to the fall, when all this is going on and of course with the sin of Adam and Eve, God came up with a plan, and it probably was a plan throughout all eternity. The plan was that, since man was given the authority to rule the creation, it had to be a man who would take back creation from the fall. It had to be one who had perfect authority and was sinless. And so Jesus comes as Son of God, and notice the phrase. He comes as The Son of God, not a son of God. He comes as The Son of God. Elohim, the Elohim says, “I am now going to come as a son of God, but he also comes as the son of man. And I’ve been interested in that phrase, and I’ve been through 7 or 8 (??) why son of God, why son of man? Well, it occurred to me that he is son of God, but he is also totally human. He is a son of man.

You know, the Chronicles of Narnia, the children are called the son of Adam, the son of Eve. And so this is important. This is important because, as the Son of man, who was also Son of God, he lives a sinless life, he does perfectly the will of the Father, He does not look after His own interests, He looks after the interests of the Father, He dies on the cross for our sins. And, look at this, this is extremely important, and there is some teaching going around today, and it has been historical, a teaching that says that Jesus did not really die on the cross. At some time before his physical death, the spirit of Jesus left, and reinhabited the body at the resurrection. So this is called Gnosticism and it’s heresy. Now why is this important? OK think of this scenario: You have these fallen sons of God. They have mated with women. They produce Nephilim; they are not human. So they die and we are told their spirit goes into Sheol, into the deepest part of Sheol. And you look at the word, Rephaim, and that actually means ghost, but I think this explains who the ghosts are. It also explains, incidentally, who the zombies are, and maybe who the vampire spirits are. Isn’t it interesting that today all this is becoming very popular. And this explains who the walking dead are, cause they are the walking dead, because they have no soul, they are not a living being.

So now, listen to this scenario. We are told like in, if you go to Proverbs 2. In there it says, (I am doing this by memory right now, and not by notes.) If you look at Proverbs chapter 2, in fact, I’ve got to look at my bible. Vera, you want to read chapter 2, and let’s start with verse 10. So read verses 10 through20, 10 through20.


OK, for wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul. Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you.


  1. OK, go ahead. Vera, keep reading.


  1. Wisdom. Let’s see. Discretion. Eleven. Discretion will protect you and understanding will guard you. Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse, who leave the straight paths, who walk in dark ways, who delight in doing wrong, and rejoice in the perverseness of evil, whose paths are crooked, and who are devious in their ways.

It will save you also from the adulteress, from the wayward wife with her seductive words, who has left the partner of her youth and ignored the covenant she made before God.


So now we’re talking here about the adulterer and sex outside of marriage. OK? Right? Go ahead.


For her house leads down to death, and her paths to the spirits of the dead. None who go to her return to attain the path of life. Thus you will walk in the ways of good men and keep to the paths of the righteous.




You were asking earlier if there was any female Rephaim. (Paul – yes) I think this passage basically answers your question.


Well, possibly. Cause I don’t have time to think about it yet. OK. So you look at chapter, (I’ll ponder that) you look at chapter 2, verse18. So what I’m doing is I’m looking at the Hebrew. For her house leads down to death, and that is the word for death, die, and etc. or the realm of the dead. And her path leads to, and I want you to notice this, leads to the Rephaim. So this actually means Rephaim here. It’s the Hebrew word, Rephaim, which means the ghost of the dead, and the shades.

So what happens in sexual evil, in all sex outside of marriage? Parts of our soul are now trapped with the Rephaim. OK, what if now I’m doing whatever, then we finally have some conversations, I am very grateful for. What if these Rephaim, which are spirits of the fallen sons of God, so they are the fallen sons of God, they collect some of these soul parts and they reinhabit another human being. Perhaps because of sexual sin, they have a right to do that. Now how this all works I do not know. But listen to this reasoning.   In my mind, I wonder if this is the spirit of God, or I’m making this up. So they come to the Son of God, and they say to him, You know, we have also risen from the dead. You’re not the only one who’s risen from the dead. We have risen from the dead, too. But you see, there is a problem here, because they did not die like Jesus died. That is why it is absolutely essential that Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, had to die. He had to die, totally dead, and then be totally resurrected from the dead. And, we are not talking here about a spirit only. We are talking about the God man, Jesus, fully human, fully died, and fully came back to life.

Now what happened in the prayer session is I didn’t know what to do. And then I thought, Jesus, you need to come as the Son of Man. And now I remember that verse: And you will see the Son of Man riding on a horse. Right? Victorious. And you will see the Son of Man. Brian, maybe you will look and see if you can find those phrases. I think it’s at the end. Thank you, Lord. I think the Holy Spirit’s helping me here. I hope the Holy Spirit is helping me here. He is helping me. I think it’s at the end, just before, just before the crucifixion, you have Mt. 26:64 and Veronica and Melissa, I see your chat. I am going to pick that up. Mt.26:64 Jesus said to him, (remember this is in the court proceedings), “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power (I love that phrase, of the power) and coming on the clouds of heaven.” So here it is. He is at the Son of Man.

And so what I did is, I said, “Jesus, would you now come as the Son of Man, because You now have legal authority over these entities, over the Rephaim and the Nephilim, and would you take it out, so the Lord did that. Now this woman had been fighting this being for years, years and years and years. She came today with her son, and she says, I’ve got to see you again the end of November, and I’ve got to tell you the victories that I’ve had because of no longer being attached to that being. So, I know that I know that I know that I know that there is something about this.   But you see, this is a big game in the spiritual world. These beings are claiming that they are also resurrected, and there is teaching out today, still, that Jesus did not fully die. And that His spirit left. And I think that you can see why it is absolutely essential that Jesus had to die. His body, His spirit, everything died. And it was miraculously resurrected, which has not happened to anyone, including all the other gods, in human history.

And now, because of the resurrection power, he has been given all authority, all authority in heaven and earth. And I believe that he is the only one that can deal with these beings, these fallen sons of god.

When we first got the revelation of the fallen sons of god, the lady said to me, scripture is not clear on how the Lord is going to deal with these fallen sons of god. And I think that is probably true. Now it may be there and I’ve not seen it yet. But you see, we know that Jesus now can deal with it, because His authority now far surpasses anything.

Now, what does this practically mean? If we were to grab ahold of the idea of who we really are in Christ, who we are meant to be. We are meant to be-, we are meant to be those revealed sons of God. This is the kind of authority we are to operate in. We really are kings and priests, as it says Rev 1:5. We are kings and priests under the King of Kings. Notice that He is the king of what? Kings. We are the kings and the priests.

Paul now reads messages off the internet

OK, Veronica and Melissa. Veronica is seeing an army, and their armor is camouflaged. It is changing from green to blue and red. They are in a wheat field.


According to Jude they are within the church, mingled within. How do we recognize and discern and deal with them? Oh, Christine, that is a difficult question, and I believe that it’s true. I am starting to feel the Rephaim on people, and of course, these are people who are coming in for prayer, and these are people that want to be set free. And I have to tell you, I also felt them connected to me. I’ve asked the Lord to disconnect me from them. So you think about all these thousands of years. We have at least six to ten thousand years of human history, at least. And so this happened very early on. You can imagine how this is very easily in our DNA and RNA.

Veronica and Melissa, are you right now at the Victorian house, watching this on the web? I just remembered that dream I had. Veronica and Melissa, I had a dream in the last year, and in the dream, I was sitting at the table that is in the Victorian house in the dining room. It is a tall table, and it’s on tall chairs. And I looked out, and there was a wheat field. And I said this in my dream. I said, “Where are the snakes?” And I waited. And I said, “There are no snakes.”

I believe that the field is now ripe for harvest. Are these the laborers that are to be sent out?   I wonder, Melissa and Veronica. Are these the laborers that are to be sent out to bring in the harvest?


Someone wrote something about these Rephaim being mingled in the church, right? (Paul – Yeah) Well, it reminded me of a scripture that talks about


  1. If you go to Jude 1, now let’s get the scripture here.


What they mentioned just kind of quickly reminded me of a scripture in one of the gospels where Jesus talks about that there will be a sifting or a dividing, the wheat and the tares. Just quickly, it just kind of reminded me. That’s all.


  1. So, Jude verse 3, Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who, long ago, were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men who turn the grace of our Lord into lewdness and deny the only Lord God of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

That is a, Christine, that is a very powerful statement because there is a huge movement, based on the book, called Love Wins, in which they deny the necessity of salvation – that everybody is going to be saved.

  1. Yeah, Melissa and Veronica let me see you. I have a, I have something in my hand.

(Paul looks at Ken, who shows Paul what he has written on a legal pad. Paul then reads what is on the pad: “The kingdom of darkness.”) Yeah, the fallen sons of God would be the kingdom of darkness.

Paul stands up to greet Melissa and Veronica on the screen. He says, “Hi!” What’s in my hand? (They say, Hi.) What’s in my Hand? Melissa and Veronica, is it a scroll? Paul feels it with his hand. No it’s not a scroll, he says. It ends here and comes down to here.

Melissa and Veronica

Is it like something that gathers the wheat, like one of those things like with a big hook?


Oh, is it a scythe? For the harvest? Oh, it is. It’s a scythe for the harvest. Or a sickle. A scythe.

OK now, we just went to a heavenly place. OK. Oh, all of a sudden, that feels really good. Mount Zion. We’re in a dimension somewhere. Oh, I think we’re in the heavenly assembly. We are in the heavenly assembly. If you look in Hebrews, oh, all of a sudden it feels really good. Oh, Christine also says that I am holding a scythe. Can you put a picture of that up, Brian, my brilliant son?

OK, you look at Heb 12. I cannot tell you how much warfare there has been all day, and as soon as you two got on the camera, it’s like we instantly went to a really good place. It feels, oh my word, it feels so good. Thank you, Jesus. Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched, and that burned with fire to the blackness and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, which of course is all about Sinai. And then you go down to verse 22, But you have come to Mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, and this is where I feel we are right now, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven.

We are right now in the midst of a cloud of witnesses.


There is another declaration coming.


I hear cheering, shouts.


OK, you go to Chapter 12, verse 1: Therefore, we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and the finisher of our faith.

OK, so Veronica and Melissa, what am I supposed to do with this? Oh now we have Veronica. I’m here. Oh, there she is. Can anybody see? I know that we are in the general assembly. We are in the cloud of witnesses. Can anybody see what it looks like? Where are we positioned? Then my second question is, “Why are we here?” This must have something to do with the harvest, and the scythe, the harvesting of wheat.


I’m hearing that you are higher up, because, with being lower, the vibration down to earth is not as loud as it is from coming straight down.


  1. now I’m hearing angels. OK. I hear three different kinds of beings now. I hear angels, stars, and glorious ones. And these are angels. And so the angels are speaking in tongues. So this is 1 Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of man and of what? Angels. So I’m actually hearing angels’ tongues now. Let’s see, Melissa? Melissa, do you want to try and see if you can hear the tongue and give us the interpretation? You may get the tongue first, and then the interpretation, but, or you may get nothing. OK, so we’ll wait for Melissa to see if she gets something. OK, I don’t have the scythe any more. It’s gone.


I think you passed the scythe over to us, yeah, to the house.


I was seeing it in our hands actually.


OK, put your hands out, Veronica; let me see if I can feel it. Yeah, actually you have it in your hand. Oh, because you are the youth. This is very interesting because someone said something. Oh, Linda, who has been with us since 1989, she had a vision of the Victorian, no, of Aslan’s place. So she sees Aslan’s Place in her backyard, in her house she owns in Apple Valley. And she says there’s a well there. And in this well there is water like a spring coming up out of the well. And this is tied, we believe, to what happened two weekends ago. Two weekends ago we were in Hawaii, and she had a word. It would be two weeks from, what’s today? Tuesday. It would have been two weeks from tomorrow. On Wednesday, she said there was going to be a tidal wave of power that was going to hit Hawaii. And it would come from the west side. And she said that it would come in 20 hours. So the next day on Thursday at 5 o’clock Hawaiian time, the wave hit and then we felt it. It probably hit around Hawaii. We felt it on Sunday night, and there was just immense power. And now she says the wave is now moving toward the United States. Jim Goll had a word, and the word was, “A fourth wave is coming.” So the first wave would have been the Pentecostal wave. Let’s see if I can remember this right. The second wave was the charismatic wave in the 50’s. The third wave was the Jesus movement wave, and this is the fourth wave. But this move is unlike any other move, and it will be in the marketplace. And it will be unlike anything we’ve seen before. And so now, so somehow this wave is tied to the well and to what is going on in the Victorian, which is part of Aslan’s place.

OK, now I have something else in my hand. It feels like a mantle, maybe. Does anybody see it? OK, purple? OK, Purple.


I believe I see purple. I believe it is velvet fabric. (Paul – OK, ask the Lord what it is for.) Lord, we ask you what it is for.


OK, Brian wrote, you had a scythe which is for harvest, and the army that Veronica saw was in the wheat field, disregarding the harvest. I think so, Brian, and I’m trying to remember, in one of the passages about the fields are white unto harvest. It says the laborers will be sent out. Someone suggested the laborers were really angels, and not we humans, but I can’t remember. Maybe someone can remember why that felt in the translation. Yes.


This is a vague memory of something in revelation that talks about an angel that stands and talks about the gathering or the harvest.




OK, well let’s look at the word, harvest. I’ll see what I can find. OK. Anybody feel free to jump in here and help me. The harvest. You have something, Ken? Oh, not yet. I don’t think he has anything. OK I’m looking up harvest. Maybe someone can find that verse.


Behold I say to you, “Lift up your eyes and look at the fields. They are already white for harvest.”


That’s right. Now look at the revelation passage. (Participant –OK, with the angel?) Well, with the angel, here we go, harvest. Rev 14:15. Nicole writes, tomorrow is a day of harvest festivals. That’s right. Rev 14:12 (Participant- I thought you said 14:15.) That’s right, 14:15. Start with verse 14. So Rev 14:14 Then I looked and behold a white cloud. On the cloud sat one like the Son of Man. There you go, there’s the son of man again. He had on his head a golden crown. In his hand, a sharp sickle. Another angel came out of the temple crying with a loud voice to him who was on the cloud, thrust in your sickle and reap, for the time has come for you to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe. So he who sat on the cloud, thrust his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. Another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven; he also had a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles. So this would seem to indicate harvest and judgment at the same time.

OK, I still do not have the answer to why we are in the cloud of witnesses.


When we were reading in Ps 82, I don’t know if you have another translation, this is The Message. And this is Psalm 82 where they were talking about, “You are gods; you are all sons of the most high.” (Paul – Yes.) OK, but in The Message it says, verse 1 “God calls the judges into his courtroom. He puts all the judges in the dark. Enough. You corrupted justice long enough. You’ve let the wicked get away with murder.” This is interesting because you said, “We need to know who we are in Christ.” (Paul – That’s right.) So here he is complaining. (Paul – Right.) OK, and “You’re here to defend the defenseless, to make sure that underdogs get a fair break. Your job is to stand up for the powerless and prosecute all those who exploit them. Ignorant judges, head in the sand judges, they haven’t a clue to what is going on, and now everything is falling apart. The world is coming unglued.” This was the interesting verse. (Paul – What verse was this now?) 6&7. “I commissioned you judges, each one of you, deputies of the high God, but you’ve betrayed your commission, and now you are stripped of your rank, busted.” I thought that was pretty interesting.



Yeah. Look at verse 8. “Arise O God, judge the earth, for you shall inherit all nations”, which means all peoples.

OK, Carlo, thank you for writing. Paul Keith Davis wrote a book called, Of Angels that Gather, based on Mt. 13. OK. Mt 13:37. So look at Mt 13:37. “And Jesus sent the multitude away and went to the house, and his disciples came to him saying, (so Mt 13:36) ‘Explain to us the harvest of the tares of the field. He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.” Notice again, it’s the Son of Man. “The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom,” Ah, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked ones. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.” That’s it. I knew it was there somewhere.

Isn’t it interesting that it says that the tares are the sons of the wicked ones? Could that be the fallen sons of God? Carlo, that is an amazing passage. (Paul says to a Participant, “Could you write that down for me?”)

OK Chris – Job 3:13 put in the circle for the harvest is ripe. “Come tread for the winepress is full. The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great.” OK Job 3:13 what’s going on?

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OK, Job 3:13 “For now I would have lain still and been quiet, I would have been asleep; Then I would have been at rest.” OK Chris, I’m not quite sure if you got the right passage.

OK, (?)”Could the sickle also be for the gathering of soul parts? The mixing of good seed and bad seed could be the mixing of DNA.” I’m wondering about that too.

Melissa – “I’m getting that we are the reapers and are being used to gather the ones that have been separated.” Interesting, that is a far different interpretation of this passage, but I remember somewhere, someone said the same thing a long time ago.


Ok, now for me it’s getting very hot in here. OK, so these are the seven spirits of God showing up. The seven spirits of God are listed in Is 11.


Dad, so the passage is Joel (Paul – Oh, Joel, not Job) and it was typed as Joe, so I thought it was a typo for Job, but it wasn’t, it was Joel.




Joel three what? (Brian – 3:13) “Oh yeah, here it is, Joel 3:13 Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, go down; for the winepress is full, the vats overflow—for their wickedness is great.” Isn’t that interesting? It’s the same idea again. It’s the tying in of the judgment and the harvest. Wow! Ok, what I’m doing is, I’m trying to write this down in my bible.

Is 11, here we have the seven spirits of God. So, what I do is, I go through the names of the seven spirits of God. We seem to go to them and they’re all together, but there’s one that has its fullness toward us. So, there are seven, and this is the menorah. So the center one is the spirit of God, the spirit of the Lord, excuse me, the spirit of the Lord. The next, which is the two branches of the menorah, the first two branches of the menorah, wisdom and understanding. The next two are counsel and might, and the next are knowledge and the fear of the Lord. So, spirit of the Lord, wisdom, understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and fear of the Lord. So I feel like the spirit of wisdom is focused on us. Ken, are you getting anything? OK, Ken’s feeling lightheaded. OK, I feel like the Lord wants to show us something. The spirit of wisdom. OK.


What about the written tongue, Paul?


Oh, written tongue. Oh, Brian, can you put the written tongue up? Melissa says, “I am seeing godly reaper and the grim reaper. Is this connected to death?” Well, the wages of sin means death. OK, so Ken also saw the grim reaper. So, the place of the dead is where the Rephaim are. These are, this is the kingdom of darkness, yup.

Verna, you want to try? Right in the center, and take the mike. I feel like the spirit of wisdom is here and the Lord wants to give us some wisdom about this, which I am not against at all. So, Verna, you can face that way, thanks. Isn’t it interesting that we are now here on October 30th? Tomorrow is the world celebration of death, and the dead. And technically, if you look at the Jewish day, the Jewish day is already started. And I think, it appears, the Lord is coming against this foolishness. OK, what I feel now, it’s the seven spirits of God, the spirit of wisdom. And I believe that the Lord is going to speak to Verna through the spirit of wisdom.


I’m remembering that there is a chapter, it is Proverbs chapter 8, where it says that “I, Wisdom”, and Wisdom talks about, in that chapter it talks about it was with the Lord before the foundation of the earth, and that wisdom cries out in the streets. Right? (Paul – That’s right) That’s what I’m remembering. So wisdom is available to us. It’s not being withheld from us in any way. As we make ourselves available, and desire wisdom, wisdom is ours. I believe that the Lord is saying that we have to put away from ourselves, our limited belief system. We are limited in what we believe he can do. We are limited in what we believe that he can say through us. We’re limited in what we think he can give us. It’s a changing of our viewpoint, the way our eyes see things. We have to dare, dare to come higher, step into a new place. Ooh.



OK, so that was like a wave of power and anointing on us. Ken, are you in a bad place? Can you (Participant) go over and pray for him?


Is he standing in? Is he standing in?


Right now Lord Jesus, we ask that you come as the Son of Man and remove Rephaim off of Ken?

Oh, Chris has “Saturn is a harvest god, the grim reaper.” I did not know that, Chris. And Saturn is tied to Molech. Molech is the same as Baal. Baal is the same as Nimrod.

Paul says to Verna, “OK, you have some more? (Verna – No) OK.

OK, something is transitioning right now. Something is happening right now. I think the Lord is taking us up higher. I feel like we’re going up, we’re going up higher. Does anybody else feel the motion? We’re actually going up higher.   We’re still travelling up. That’s exactly the word that she gave us. We have to dare to come up higher, to step into a new place.

So, Father we believe maybe that in the past few days, we‘ve been contending to go to this higher place, and Lord, we desire right now and we dare to go deeper into you and to higher heavenly realms, Father, for your glory, and for your pleasure.

OK, it’s coming off. This is good. Speak peace to Ken in the Name of Jesus. OK, still now I’m finding more deliverance. We’re going higher. Now I feel like we’re trying to press through into another place. I feel like we’ve come against, this is very unusual, it’s like we’ve come up against a membrane. It’s right here. Yeah, it’s a membrane of some sort; and it’s not a gate, or a door. I can feel it on both sides. It’s like; we’re like pushing through, like we’re trying to be birthed into something new maybe. Whoa! I think we’re trying to be birthed into something new. Oh, we just pushed through. Now we’re pushing through. Now it’s right about here. If you’re on the internet see if you can feel that. Let’s see if you’re in the same place. Yeah, it’s right there. It’s like we’ve crowned. Yeah, right there. It’s like we’ve crowned this new place. Oh, this is very strange. And now I feel it right about here. OK now we’re still pushing through, still pushing through. Now it’s about up to my eye level. Now my eyes are through. Now we’re further through. We’re still pushing through. It feels very, very anointed up here. Put your hands up to where we’ve already gone through. You feel it? This is a different kind of, this almost feels, what it feels to me like witchcraft, but it’s good. But it has that same feel, but it’s good. This is what I’ve been fighting against all day. Now we’re, not for me where I am. We’re going to get you out of there. OK. OK, just a second. OK. So, Lord, we take authority over the witchcraft now. So you’re right, Ken. Lord, we take authority over this witchcraft, in this new realm that has been held, this is interesting, that has been held captive by the enemy. So we’re moving in this place. Lord, we take authority over this as the revealed sons of God, and we declare this realm and this region will belong to the Lord. And we ask, Lord, that You now transfer this region, this realm, from the kingdom of darkness into Your glorious light. Thank you, Ken and Brian, for-. OK, now we’re further into it. Lord, what has the enemy been using this place for? (Ken – satanic sacrificing) OK, Veronica sees an image of Saturn. She wonders if perhaps it has to do with sacrificing the children of God to the fallen sons of God. Absolutely, that is Molech.

And I believe that Molech is a fallen son of God, Veronica. So, I agree with you. So, again, Molech is the same as Baal. Baal goes all the way back to Saturn and Nimrod. Incidentally, Saturn is totally tied with some of the imagery in Washington DC, and on the Great Seal. Apollyon (Apollo), so Apollo, (Apollyon) are the same as Saturn and Nimrod.

Elizabeth says, “I’m seeing gods, the godly reaper and the grim reaper. OK, we’ve already read that one. I still feel the witchcraft being cleaned out. OK.


When Ken was sitting over here, I saw a coconut husk, you know, not the brown one, but the outer one. And I saw it ripped, you know, pretty much in half, and I could see that, I don’t know, there was a something being taken off, you know, broken.


Interesting. What I’m feeling now is I hear the godly stars warring, singing. It says in Job, that the stars sang at creation, but also says in Judges 5, “The stars war.” So, I feel the warring of the stars.

I’m wondering if this is time for the tongue. So, Ken, who is sitting here at my left hand side, he writes in tongues. Lord, who do you want to interpret this? OK, Veronica? Veronica, we’re going to pick on you if we could. So, Ken got the Victorian, and I thought it was maybe you, Veronica. Now this, Veronica has never done this before. I’m glad that I’m leading and that I’m not asking myself to do this. Veronica, you want to see if you can interpret that? Now Ann was here one time and she put her finger on it, and she actually read from right to left. So, you want to look at it? Can you see it yet?


Are you talking about the writing? (Paul – Yeah, do you see the writing?) I can see it. (Paul – OK we’re not seeing it here, so I wanted to make sure you were able to see it) OK.


What’s happening for those of you listening to the podcast, I have Veronica, who is at the Victorian, at Aslan’s Place. She is going to see if she can interpret the tongue. Well, Holy Spirit, we ask that you will come and interpret this tongue for us.




It is he who shall be upon you, for at this time, it is he who will be the answer, and you who will reap the benefits, for his glory. The enemy shall crumble beneath his feet, and turn into dust like little pieces of grain. Do not plant these pieces of grain. –That’s all I got.


  1. That was good.


Earlier, I was seeing a picture of the children of God in the field, and the sacrifices being made to Molech.


OK, “children of God,”- OK, I am writing this down–“in a field, and sacrifices being made to gods. Aha.


And then when you were asking where we were going, (Paul – Aha) you put your hands above your eyes, (Paul – Yes) right there, I felt like you were going through Saturn. That we were going up above the sacrifices of Molech, or the sacrifices to Molech.


Is that the witchcraft I’m feeling right now, we’re feeling coming off? Do you feel that there also? (Melissa – it could be; Veronica – Yeah, yeah.) Do you have any understanding about this realm we’re going into, that we are taking back for the Lord?


I felt like it was where he was holding the sacrifices, that it was something he was trapping them. And that it was being used for that. And the Lord wanted to release that or something.


Ken has been getting the kingdom of darkness, and I think that it probably is. So, this is the kingdom of darkness. Isn’t it interesting that before, I said that we were being transferred from the kingdom of darkness into his glorious light? So, what will be good that’s here when this is done? What was this place supposed to be? Do you understand what I am saying?


I believe it has something to do with the souls of man being released, (Paul – which is the harvest) and I believe it has something to do with the Lord of the Harvest. (Veronica – Right.)


And isn’t it interesting, again it’s the Son of Man.


Making their children their scapegoat.


Yeah, that’s right. They’re putting their sins on their children, sacrificing them.


With the harvest as an offering to Molech.


Yup, be interesting to know if Molech, well I know that Baal worship was tied to the harvest wasn’t it?

OK, I feel a transitioning going on. Witchcraft’s getting a little bit less. Hey, Brian, do you want to read that passage, Mt 9:38. Yeah, Brian is looking up that passage.


Yeah, I have it. I’m just picking a translation. Let’s do NIV. It’s the first one that came up. “Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers in to his harvest field.” It’s Mt 9:38.


Yup, but I still feel the witchcraft coming off. The witchcraft is extremely intense coming off from this place.


Could it be tied to the kingdom of sorrow as well?


OK, is there anything scriptural about the kingdom of sorrow?


I’m sensing a great release taking place.


OK, I do not feel that so you are being prophetic. OK, Mk 13:8 “These things are the beginning of sorrows, when nation shall rise up against nations.” I don’t see anything else. OK

Paul reads and responds to messages from the net:

Participant “This might be off, but is there an ungodly council in this dimension, like a court? Mention of Satan is the 8th dimension with the god Ra.”

Paul It’s interesting that the god Ra is also tied to the god, Apollo, to the god, Apollyon. So, Lord we ask you to disconnect us from any ungodly council, in any dimension.

Chris “This passage suggests that the gathering and separation of soul parts is from the depths.”

Paul Yes, I actually noticed that, Mt 13:47. Wow, this is very interesting Chris because, “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, “which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, “and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things? “They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.” (Paul – we didn’t understand a thing!) Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder.” And he goes on. Chris that is an amazing, amazing insight. So, maybe it does concern also soul parts and the separating out of the unrighteous from the righteous, not only just in terms of individuals, but maybe even the soul parts.

I still feel the witchcraft coming off. The witchcraft coming off actually has intensified.

Melissa and Veronica, I have a sense you might have something? Oh, wait a minute. Look at that.

Veronica “Wheat and tares, versus righteous and unrighteous soul parts. I’m wondering?

On Chris, the passage suggests that the gathering, OK we’ve done that.- yeah, it’s the dimension of Saturn, and not Satan as far as the New Age belief. Oh, OK. Thank you. It’s actually the dimension of Saturn, so again, Saturn is Nimrod, is Molech. It’s all tied together. Apollyon, Apollo. Brian, isn’t Apollo, is Apollo the God of war, the Roman God of war?


That’s Mars.


Oh, OK. Is Apollo a messenger? It’s interesting, we name our space exploration Apollo’s.


So, Dad, Wikipedia says (Paul – Yes, I’m sure that’s a true thing.) “Variously recognized god of light and the sun, truth and prophecy, healing and plagues, music, poetry, and more. (Paul – So who’s that?) Apollo. (Paul – So it is god of war. I was right, Ken.) No, I didn’t say war. (Paul – I was wrong, Ken. This is all being taped. OK, Apollo, again) Apollo is recognized as god of light and the sun, truth and prophecy, healing, plagues, music, poetry and more.


Oh, and more, I thought you said war. I was just waiting for me to be right, Ken.   And Ra is tied to the sun, which is also light. OK, the


Would we be going up against ungodly light then?


Darkness. Ok, this is most disconcerting. (Brian – Most disconcerting?) Yes, I feel like the Lord is dealing with the Nephilim now. And the Rephaim? He’s dealing with the Nephilim. And there is war in the camp. I wonder if this goes back to what Veronica and Melissa had said that the armies were going out into the wheat fields. I feel like there is warring now, there’s warring for the souls of men. (Ken – It’s warring for the harvest.) It’s warring for the harvest, for the wheat.

  1. Psalm 107 I really appreciate when you give me messages, for all those who are listening. Oh, what are you doing, Ken? OK, Ken is going into some sort of cadence. Psalm 107:10, Linda, would you like to read that, 10 – 16?


10 Those who sat in darkness and in the shadow of death,

Bound in affliction and irons—

11 Because they rebelled against the words of God,

And despised the counsel of the Most High,

12 Therefore He brought down their heart with labor;

They fell down, and there was none to help.

13 Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble,

And He saved them out of their distresses.

14 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death,

And broke their chains in pieces.

15 Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness,

And for His wonderful works to the children of men!

16 For He has broken the gates of bronze,

And cut the bars of iron in two.


  1. Verse14, He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death.


Could that be what Melissa was talking about with the sacrifices to Molech, the souls that were trapped?


Right, that could be.


And its saying, he saved them out, he brought them out?


So these are definitely what we consider soul parts. Oh, keep on reading from verse 17 on.


17 Fools, because of their transgression,

And because of their iniquities, were afflicted.

18 Their soul abhorred all manner of food,

And they drew near to the gates of death.

19 Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble,

And He saved them out of their distresses.

20 He sent His word and healed them,

And delivered them from their destructions.

21 Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness,

And for His wonderful works to the children of men!

22 Let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving,

And declare His works with rejoicing.

23 Those who go down to the sea in ships,

Who do business on great waters,

24 They see the works of the Lord,

And His wonders in the deep.

25 For He commands and raises the stormy wind,

Which lifts up the waves of the sea.

26 They mount up to the heavens,

They go down again to the depths

Their soul melts because of trouble.

27 They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man,

And are at their wits’ end.

28 Then they cry out to the Lord in their trouble,

And He brings them out of their distresses.

29 He calms the storm,

So that its waves are still.

30 Then they are glad because they are quiet;

So He guides them to their desired haven.

31 Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness,

And for His wonderful works to the children of men

32 Let them exalt Him also in the assembly of the people, (Paul – in the assembly of the people.)

And praise Him in the company of the elders.

(Paul – Keep going.)

33 He turns rivers into a wilderness,

And the watersprings into dry ground;

34 A fruitful land into barrenness,

For the wickedness of those who dwell in it.

35 He turns a wilderness into pools of water,

And dry land into watersprings.

36 There He makes the hungry dwell,

That they may establish a city for a dwelling place,

37 And sow fields and plant vineyards,

That they may yield a fruitful harvest.

38 He also blesses them, and they multiply greatly;

And He does not let their cattle decrease.

39 When they are diminished and brought low

Through oppression, affliction, and sorrow,

40 He pours contempt on princes,

And causes them to wander in the wilderness where there is no way;

41 Yet He sets the poor on high, far from affliction,

and makes their families like a flock.

42 The righteous see it and rejoice,

And all iniquity stops its mouth.

43 Whoever is wise will observe these things,

And they will understand the loving kindness of the Lord.


That was a really good Psalm. OK, so I’m still feeling the witchcraft coming off. Do you have something, Verna? OK.


You know, where he says, “He pours contempt on princes,”? Remember, didn’t we talk about princes? What was the word for princes? Was that son of God also?


I’ll have to check.


Shining Ones, no it was shining ones. And causes them to wonder in the wilderness where there is no way.


That’s Psalm 104 what?


107:40. You know how it says their spirit, well that’s the Rephaim, I’m thinking..


Right. And the prince (Linda – causes them to wander in the wilderness.) This word means noble ones.

Paul reads message from the net:


I felt that the sacrifice is because they followed the evil and fell into the field, where they were sacrificed.


Veronica, can you clarify that a little bit? I don’t know if I can quite follow. Sometimes when we chat, it’s not quite as clear as when we have you up on the screen.


Can you hear me? (Paul – Yes, I can.) What I was getting was that there was the Nephilim, or the grim reaper, or some being led them into the field, and it was through enticement, so they were sacrificed, but the mistake they made was enticement, being enticed away from God’s plan. So it has something to do with the harvest. He was separating the wheat from the tares, and then when you guys said, the righteous versus the unrighteous, I got a hit with that. The righteous parts of us needed to be in unity; somehow rectify or bring back the unrighteous parts of us, where we wandered away. And it was the separating of the wheat and the tares, but it was like double mindedness or something.


  1. Want to turn that into a prayer?

Melissa (the others repeat after her)

OK, so Lord, on behalf of myself and my generational line, we repent for wandering away and falling into a trap, because we were enticed by the enemy, and we allowed our parts to be separated from the love of God. And Lord I ask you to bring those parts back washed and cleansed in your blood. And we repent for giving over that realm to the enemy.

Paul continues leading the prayer

And I renounce and repent for all those in my family line, who made covenants with death, and agreements with Sheol for the purpose of escaping death, and disasters.


Right when you said that, I saw the grim reaper. It was like a part of us chose that death. Like we knew what we were getting into, but we chose that instead of the Lord of the harvest. Like instead of choosing life, there was a part of us that chose death. We came into agreement with the grim reaper somehow.


  1. This is actually Is 28:14

14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,

Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,

15 Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death,

And with Sheol we are in agreement. (Paul – and Sheol is where the Rephaim are)

When the overflowing scourge passes through,

It will not come to us,

For we have made lies our refuge,

And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.”

16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,

A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;

Whoever believes will not act hastily.

17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,

And righteousness the plummet;

The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, (Paul – isn’t that interesting?- hail will sweep away the refuge of lies.)

And the waters will overflow the hiding place.

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,

And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;

When the overflowing scourge passes through,

Then you will be trampled down by it.

19 As often as it goes out it will take you;

For morning by morning it will pass over,

And by day and by night;

It will be a terror just to understand the report.”

20 For the bed is too short to stretch out on,

And the covering so narrow that one cannot wrap himself in it.

21 For the Lord will rise up as at Mount Perazim, (Paul – as at Mount Perazim – that is the breakthrough. He will raise up a breakthrough)

He will be angry as in the Valley of Gibeon—

That He may do His work, His awesome work,

And bring to pass His act, His unusual act.

22 Now therefore, do not be mockers,

Lest your bonds be made strong;

For I have heard from the Lord God of hosts,

A destruction determined even upon the whole earth.

Listen to the Teaching of God

23 Give ear and hear my voice,

Listen and hear my speech.

24 Does the plowman keep plowing all day to sow?

Does he keep turning his soil and breaking the clods?


25 When he has leveled its surface,

Does he not sow the black cummin

And scatter the cummin,

Plant the wheat in rows,

The barley in the appointed place,

And the spelt in its place?

26 For He instructs him in right judgment,

His God teaches him.

27 For the black cummin is not threshed with a threshing sledge,

Nor is a cartwheel rolled over the cummin;

But the black cummin is beaten out with a stick,

And the cummin with a rod.

28 Bread flour must be ground;

Therefore he does not thresh it forever,

Break it with his cartwheel,

Or crush it with his horsemen.

29 This also comes from the Lord of hosts,

Who is wonderful in counsel and excellent in guidance.


Well that chapter’s packed. OK Brian you have something?


Yes, Mt 13:24-29 is the parable of the weeds. (Paul – Right.) And I think this is pretty interesting.


Now see we had just read before 37, also 24-29.



So, you know, if I paraphrase really quick, this is where the enemy had placed weeds in with the wheat. (Paul – Right.) And the servant asks, “Do you want us to pull them up?” And the answer is “No, because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.” And then it says, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned.” This is the interesting part. “Then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.” What I’m wondering is if there has been a gathering, but it’s been placed in the wrong place. I saw a picture of silos before. Are these ungodly silos or ungodly storehouses?


Brian, when you said that I feel what’s coming off.

Christine “I sometimes see myself in these underground places. Are these parts of myself? Please clarify this soul part idea.”


Alright, so we have a few minutes left. Let me give you a thumbnail sketch, and please do not think that I understand what I am talking about. For years we have been working in deliverance, and probably just a few weeks after I started doing deliverance, the Lord brought someone who had Multiple Personality Disorder. Then it was called MPD. Now it is called Dissociative Identity Disorder. And in MPD, now called DID, you have parts, and they are called alters.

And so you can have an adult who is like 55, and say she is a woman, and she can have a child part that’s three. So the three year old can even have a name, and that child part, she may think that she is the only one in the body. And so we call these amnesic personalities. So that, that three year old thinks that she is the only one there. And you’ll ask, well you’ll talk to her and she’ll come out and talk to you, and she probably has issues and she is probably holding pain. There’s many different functions of the alters, but she believes that she is the only part. Now I want you to understand this, so the part thinks it’s the whole, but it’s only a part. We call that a soul part.

Now if I take a part of a cell, if I take one cell of my body, in my cell I have the DNA. Remember, if the cell splits, the DNA splits. And everything that I am is in that cell, but everything that I am is not in that cell. Now let me say it again. Everything that I am is in that cell, but everything that I am is not in that cell.

I first started thinking about this when the Lord was teaching us about the ungodly depth, and about being trapped in these places like Sheol, the pit, the snare, the trap, and Sheol. And I thought well how is it that we can be trapped there, but I’m here? And Anna Mendez had a book called Regions of Captivity. And she just simply shared some of the stories. She talked about, I think it was a sister. She went to the hospital and the Lord said you need to pull her out of this bad place. And she had a vision of her stuck underwater in a cave.

And we’ve had many people now that have had that same vision. Lots of people many times are surrounded by mirrors. I want to talk about that very briefly. So what I believe now is that’s a part of the soul that’s trapped there. Now when people see themselves, they see it as the whole. But it’s not the whole, it’s the part.

A couple of weeks ago Linda called, and she has been with us since 1989, and she got the word, fractal. And so we have been studying fractals. And a fractal is a part of the whole. It’s in creation everywhere. And so you might have something that’s here, but then it’s also here, it’s here, it’s here. And you get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. Or it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And so this is a fractal.

My original prophetic dream I had, Donna was in the hospital in the city where this all started. And she gave birth to a baby, and the baby was deformed. And the baby was healed, and then I saw a nurse’s cart. And then I saw what appeared to be like in a barber shop. Maybe you haven’t been in a barber shop, but in another place where you have two mirrors. And when you have two mirrors, you have what looks like hundreds of us. If you are sitting in the barber chair, there would be hundreds of you in the barber chair. Well that’s a fractal. Well I have me, but I have all these mirror images. So we believe these are parts. So these can be both generational parts; they can be parts of me, and so it gets very, very complicated.

OK, so I think what the Lord wants to do, is He wants to release any of the parts back to us, so that we become a whole, so that the power of God will hit us and will flow through us.

OK Brian, you have a comment about parts? And then we’ll probably conclude.


Well, thank you, this could be another way to understand it, as I think you pretty much covered every aspect. But (Paul – I doubt that.) it’s another understanding of what soul parts could be. Imagine that you are a puzzle built up of multiple pieces, and when you are complete, the puzzle is complete and you get the full picture. But imagine that you are on the puzzle, and you are looking up from one of the single pieces. You would not know that the puzzle is not complete, but you could have difficulty understanding with others, understanding what that puzzle is. And you’re not going to be able to communicate properly. Then as you‘re going around as a puzzle, you could bump up against other puzzles and loose pieces, mix pieces up. Some might get caught in the couch cushion or get vacuumed. And the farther you go around in life, the more damaged your puzzle can become. And what happens is with Christ, He can actually put those puzzle pieces all back in the proper place, where you can’t see them, because you’re actually looking out from the puzzle itself. So soul parts, you can think of them as puzzle pieces. They get lost in time; they get lost in Sheol, and you’re not actually complete until you are put back together from someone who has the ability to see them from outside space and time, which is God.



That actually is an excellent illustration, Brian, and I will remember that, and I will of course give you credit. (Brian – Oh, thank you.) So Father we thank you for our time together, and Lord, I’m amazed, with two hours, and where you’ve taken us. We bless your name, and ask, Lord, that you continue to take all of this yuck off of us. And Lord, we want to take possession of this place for your kingdom, Lord, that you will reign in this place. Amen.

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