November 12, 2013 Session of Biblical Discernment Exploration

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During this session, the concept of “the firmament” came up. We realized later that Dale Shannon wrote an article back in December 2011 where the firmament was addressed.
Click here for the article “Seasons of Lights Shining in the Firmament”



Well good evening and welcome to Aslan’s Place. We are located in Apple Valley California. And Father, we are so grateful for our time together, we are so grateful for what you continue to teach us, that you are always moving us along to new revelation and new understanding of your word. And Lord it is our desire tonight that we will go only into truth and will not be deceived, so we ask for your presence, guidance, and direction. In the wonderful name of Jesus we pray … amen.


I’ve just returned from New Jersey with Pam Oelburg and a wonderful group in Basking Ridge (?), New Jersey, not to far from Washington D.C. (Excuse me, New York City, NOT Washington D.C.) and uh, we were doing a Come Up Higher intern week. Well, during the Come Up Higher, Melchizedek showed up, (that’s Jesus as our High Priest), and so I was teaching everybody how to discern Melchizedek. And then after everybody had practiced how to discern Melchizedek, we sat down and Melchizedek continued to intercede. And so this often happens, when I just sit there and say, “well, I guess we are not going to do anything until we find out what his intercessions will reveal”. Now this happened for quite a while, I’d say 10 or 15 minutes, and when you are just sitting, doing nothing, even a minute is quiet a while. Have you ever done that? Just try to be quiet with a group of people? Very, very awkward, but I have learned, do not go ahead of the Lord. So, all of a sudden, I realized that we were taken to the Ancient of Days Court, which is mentioned in Daniel Chapter 7. So like I did with them, I’ll have you turn to Daniel Chapter 7. I’ve been using the phrase, “hidden in plain sight”, a lot recently, where I can read a passage many, many, times, and realize I’ve just discovered something I’ve never seen before. That’s the amazing thing about the word of God. So, Daniel Chapter 7 contains a vision of the Ancient of Days court, and we start with verse 9. Chapter 7 Verse 9; “I watched till thrones were put in place and the Ancient of Days was seated. His garment was white as snow and the hair of his head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, it’s wheels a burning fire, a fiery stream issued and came forth from before him. “ So the river of God is water and fire.

“A thousand, thousand ministered to Him, ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him, the court was seated and the books were opened. I watched because of the pompons words the horn was speaking. I watched till the beast was slain and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. I was watching the night visions and behold, one like the son of man (this is the first time the “son of man” term is used in scripture), coming with the clouds of heaven. He came to the Ancient of Days and they brought Him near before him.” That is where I stopped. What? “And they brought Him before Him”.


I thought, what is the antecedent of the pronoun? The pronoun is “they” and the antecedent can’t be the Ancient of Days because it’s ‘they”, so you go up and it’s the clouds. I thought … the clouds are ‘they’. That means the clouds are spiritual beings. And so I thought, what does that mean? So I started discerning, and I could feel the clouds on my head. So I said, Lord, are there hundreds of clouds or, thousands of clouds or, millions of clouds or, billions of clouds or, trillions of clouds? And I don’t know if you just felt that, but when I said ‘trillions’, that’s how many clouds there are, trillions of clouds. Now they must be very important because they bring the Son of Man before the Ancient of Days. OK? This is in the Bible that Jesus ascended into what?… Into the clouds! And I thought about the cloud of witnesses and I’m wondering is there something more about the cloud of witnesses? Well I keep on my computer a list of all the words that I’ve received over the years, going all the way back to 1989. The original words I actually had to put into the computer because this was before we were doing things on the computer as we are now. And so, I started doing a search for all the times clouds were mentioned in words I was given. Now, I often pay attention to the order of revelation. For me, the order of revelation is important because it’s like the Lord builds on the revelations that come. So first I was taught how to discern evil over a long period of time because the purpose of discernment is to discern whether it is good or evil so that it was obviously important that I discern angels and then other kinds of spiritual beings. And most recently I had a new discernment. I was with Kevin Basconi (?) in Moravian Falls at the end of August, and on Sunday night he was going to have an impartation service. Well something new started to happen to me and I realized that I was feeling the ‘whirlwind’. I could actually feel the whirlwind on my head, right here (indicating the right upper side of his head) and we found all these scriptures about the whirlwind and all these words that the Lord told us about the whirlwind. And if you look at Ezekiel Chapter 1 verse 1 …

“And it came to pass in 30th year, in the 4th month, on the fifth day, while I was one of the captives by the River Chebar, that the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God. On the 5th day of the month, which was in the 5th year of King Jehoiachins captivity, the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the had of the Lord was upon him there. I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing it, and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire.” He goes on to talk about the 4 living creatures.


Then you go back to Psalm 18. Psalm 18 is a wonderful Psalm and David is crying out to the Lord and he says in verse 5, “The pangs of death have surrounded me and the floods of ungodliness made me afraid, the sorrows of Sheol have surrounded me, the stairs of death have confronted me. In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried out to my God; He heard my voice from His temple, and my cry came before Him, even to his ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken, because He was angry. Smoke went up from His nostrils, and devouring fire from His mouth; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the havens also, and came down with darkness under His feet. And He rode upon a cherub, and flew; He flew upon the winds of the wind. He made darkness His secret place; His canopy around Him was dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.


So out of the clouds comes coals of fire, hailstones, of course there is thundering verse 15 so you have thunders and lightening come out of the clouds which is in the Whirlwind. So that revelation came, as I said, out of Moravian Falls. So that was the end of August. Then, I’m trying to remember when now, the Lord gave me discernment of the coals and the engraver which is called blacksmith and the destroyer. Turn to Isaiah 54 … now the reason why I’m going through this is I am feeling all this on my head. I feel the clouds, and I also feel the destroyer and the engraver. So if you will look at the end of Isaiah 54:16, “Behold, I have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, …


So lets just see if we can feel him right now.. I feel the coals right here …(gesturing toward the back of his head) are the coals out? Is the destroyer here? We were at youth group last Thursday night and the destroyer showed up as the engraver. If you look at verse 16, our translation says blacksmith but the original word says engraver or someone who engraves in stone, a blacksmith works in metal. “Who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the spoiler to destroy.”


When this happens “ No weapon formed against you shall prosper,” Now I’ve been in churches and they proclaim that, “no weapons formed against us will prosper”, then we go out from church and get beat up. I’m thinking…I don’t know if that is true yet! Because there are weapons formed against me that ARE prospering. So this is very strange because I feel the engraver or the blacksmith (gestures to the front slightly left) here, and I feel … ok, that’s wrong. Now I feel the engraver here, (gestures to the right) and I feel the destroyer here (gestures to the left), and it appears like it’s a multi dimensional being. It just shifted again and here is the engraver (left) and here is the destroyer (right). So why don’t you just come out, and remember you are online, we are all there, we’re not here. So just ask the Lord to reveal that to you. It almost appears and what we think its like two sides of a coin that is somehow dimensional and yet the same being, the engraver and the destroyer. So now, here is the engraver (right) and now here is the destroyer (right again) now. Ok now just shift to the engraver, its like a Ferris wheel…no not that, its like a merry-go-round. Here is the destroyer now (right) and here is the destroyer upside down (indicating left, then brings a woman forward and says, “here is the engraver, here’ … (Indicates the right upper side of his head) and the destroyer here (indicates the back of his head).


He is asking whether it should be blacksmith or engraver. New King James translates it as blacksmith. Hebrew word means engraver.

Woman asks: “ I was wondering whether the engraver comes first and does whatever he is supposed to do, and then after that …. Nothing..

Other Lady: They shift back and forth…

Paul: The blacksmith, or the engraver, rolls the coals of the fire, and then the destroyer comes and destroys.

Lady: and then the scripture after that says, No weapon formed ..

Paul: Not only that … this is very interesting, we are going to go there next. No weapon formed against you shall prosper and every tongue that rises up against you in judgment, you shall condemn. So there is something about the words (that’s where we are going to go next) that are tied to all of this.


Now, what is up there? Indicating to a location above the heads of the people gathered. Ok that is the engraver on this side and the destroyer on this side. It’s like this.. (takes a mans arm and moves him.) They stand back to back and rotate clockwise to demonstrate the action of the engraver and the destroyer as he feels it. One lady points out that she can see that they are slightly askew of each other. She says, “Why, I don’t know”. Paul: There is a lot we don’t know, that is why we are here.


Ok, now, I want to read some of the words we received about the clouds and the whirlwind. This goes back all the way to March 13th 2009. Mimi Lowe was the one who actually gave me the name “Come Up Higher” in one of her words. I think it may have even been as early as 2005. On March 13th 2009 she says,




“ Whirlwind of Fire, Whirlwind of Fire, expand, expand, expand, expand, expand. You have never been here before. Shifting sands, shifting sands, shifting sands, chariots of fire, chariots of fire, to take you higher, to take you higher to explore other dimensions.


And then a lady named April said, “ I can see all kinds of clouds below. The clouds seem color like, they are not white clouds, they are kind of yellow. I see a ridge of clouds, we’ve gone over the clouds”


And then Lewis our friend from London, on Nov. the 14th last year, we were in Alabama together, “Conduit’s of Power this is a tower of power, this is the hour of power The time has come for what needs to be done to reveal the Glorious Son. Take off the ear-muffs, open the old bulkheads, remove the false capsules and light a fire. Stay in the presence, stay in the dwelling place. It starts and ends in the Tabernacle, the Holy of Holies, Holiest Holy, clouds of reckoning, clouds of redeeming, hundreds are coming but hundreds are screeming. And then the word goes on and on and on, but it was interesting about the clouds.


And then our friend Crystal, who when we said out some words about, she has a lot about clouds in a very, very long email about that.


Then on May 23rd, Larry Pierson had this word. “I’m releasing the billows of my glory. Now billows are clouds. He’s releasing the billows of His presence. He is establishing pillars all over the earth, pillars of fire, and clouds of his presence. Where a shift has come and a new thing has begun. I will change, I will change, I will change everything. My presence will bring a new form of worship, a new form of fellowship with him. Come deeper in learning of me, and my throne. It’s not business as usual” … on and on and on…. I’ll scan through this.


In Crystal’s word, she had a lot of words about … Power Words. And I will tell you why I think that is probably important, and the release of the new kind of power that is coming. Now what is interesting to me is that since I had the feeling of the coals, there has been just a huge amount of power on me. OK.

Let me scan through here. She says “the astonishing mystery cloud that I heard the rumblings of a great thunder from far away as it echoed out there in the vast ocean of the blue black space, the echo’s are getting closer. It sounded like massive thunderous waves but mixed with canons. It was not like any thunder or sound wave I have ever heard before heard before. It was beyond the sound of mere rumblings”. And then she goes on and she talks about this cloud of enormous power inside of it. Now I’ll scan down some more of these words.


Then at Come up Higher in New Jersey, we had this word, first of all, Larry Pierson in Collingwood, on August the 18th wrote: “When they come and have common passion you will have a sound, and you will be a sound. With a mere sound, you will be delivered, people groups will be delivered, the match to the kingdom will be in the sound. Find your sound, the gates are opening, the gates are opening. Behold majesty, coming in the clouds of glory, your King is coming in the clouds of glory, coming on the clouds of glory.

The uncontaminated elders will now lift you and carry you through the Kings gate. Sound of dominion, sound of dominion, whirlwinds of His glory and then I change the DNA, (even during this, I’m feeling the elemental spirits back here (gesturing to the back of his head), so all this is going on.


Then New Jersey with the revelation of the clouds, Kelly said, “I have just heard; “ acceleration of time, I have taken back time. The time has been lost in your lives releasing, a releasing an acceleration through the clouds. I’m sending it in the clouds, I’m sending it in my transport the sent for acts of acceleration. I’m releasing my whirlwind, I’m releasing my whirlwind through the clouds, to uproot, overthrow, tear down, and destroy everything that is unrighteous, through the clouds. It’s my world when it’s coming, it’s my world when it’s coming. There’s fire, the wind, the rain, in the clouds, and the sun. My word comes forth in the clouds, my word comes forth in the clouds. My voice is heard through the clouds, they transmit my voice to be heard. It’s the sound of thunder, the sounds of thunder to cleanse. I’m releasing my voice in the clouds, the abba voice of the Lord is coming to you in the clouds. Now remember at the transfiguration and the cloud showed up and the voice of God came from the cloud … right? So, this is what we think. One more word … this from Louis again, on the 9th of November. “How will you reap without the harvest? How will you harvest without growth? How will you grow without rain? How will it rain without clouds? There is no harvest with out the reign. Let me reign. My word will not return void. (And that verse is used in Isaiah 54: 55 , my word will not return void.)


It feels like once a word has been given, a cloud is releasing itself. This is what we think. We think that every word that we speak, is a droplet, and it’s all the words that form a cloud. Now there can be evil clouds and righteous clouds. Now I’m just wondering (we call this exploration), could it be it’s our praise, our prayers, our worship and our affirmation that the Lord is good forever, that this is what acknowledges to the ancient of days that Jesus indeed has the legal right. Now we know he has the legal right, I’m not saying we caused that, I’m saying that that does make a difference, a tangible difference that these clouds are formed. Now one more thing, we look at Jude … in Jude (ok if I can find it), talking about the evil-doers in verse 12 … “These are spots at your love feasts, who feed with you without fear – serving only themselves. The are clouds without rain…” Isn’t that interesting? And you look and this is all evil speak. So evil speaking forms clouds that don’t produce anything. They are clouds without water.


Ok, Rayleen….


Rayleen: I have an observation … I contemplated this over and over for the last few days. Are the clouds’ intrinsic makeup glory?


Paul: Yes … the righteous ones.


Rayleen: The righteous ones. So the unrighteous would be the opposite of glory.


Paul: That’s right.


Discussion follows.


One lady asks , my thought with that is that the power of life and death is in the tongue and the cloud of witnesses could be what your family line has spoken and what they walk in? And my other questions is could there be an ungodly blacksmith..


Paul: Yes


Lady: And could it be related to the metal part of the elemental spirits?

Paul:There is something about the elemental spirits if you look in Galatians 2: 8.

And Sonia, to your question of where I feel the destroyer and the engraver, I feel the destroyer here (back of his head) by the coals and the engraver (upper right side of head). The only thing I felt here before was the captain of the host.







Colossians Chapt. 2 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit according to the traditions of man, according to basic principles of the world.


That term “basic principles” is the word Stokea sometimes it’s also translated, “according to the elemental spirits” and I go into great detail in Coming Up Higher. The Greeks were involved in philosophy, in physics, in math and science, not just for knowledge sake but they were trying to manipulate the spiritual world behind matter, which we call the elemental spirits. So we believe the elemental spirits are the probably the elements that make up the periodic table. That would be the physical elements and behind them would be the spiritual beings called the Stokea. For a Greek, the philosophies of men were all about how to manipulate through philosophy the Stokea and you can rule over the Stokea or the elemental spirits. OK, how are we doing?


Question: The Destroyer and the Engraver… what do they do?

Paul: Good question. Thank you. The Destroyer is first mentioned in Exodus when the first the firstborn were killed. That’s the same word; Destroyer. The Destroyer was released when the firstborn were killed. I noticed the Destroyer working during prayer sessions and all of a sudden, and I can never tell when it’s going to happen but sometimes during prayer sessions I would get this burning sensation on the back of my head and then I could feel the person being dumped into the coals. So it would get really, really hot back here, and then it would come out and there would be a deliverance. Then they would go back in and it would get really, really, hot again and there would be deliverance. I have seen that happen sometimes up to an hour plus.


Question: So the Destroyer is destroying evil?

Paul: The works of the enemy … right. So it’s a righteous being called the Destroyer that destroys the works of the enemy. In 2010, when I was I was with Larry Pierson, and I shared this before, when he was healed of Crones , that’s what started first. He was laying on the ground in the power of God and I could feel him going in and out of the coals of the destroyer and then I reached my hand down and said, “Lord close these doors”, and he was healed. So, again, that might go somehow tied to healing.


Question: So is it possible the ungodly Engraver is engraving something on the DNA and destroying? Because I keep seeing an elemental spirit and he’s doing something not good, and I think it’s a blacksmith.


Paul: OK . Interesting thought. In this progression of revelation, especially since August, we’ve had the white stone revelation so turn to Zach. 3:9 For behold the stone I’ve laid before Joshua, upon the stone are 7 eyes. Behold I will engrave it’s inscription says the Lord of Hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.


Then in Chapter 4 the stones are mentioned again. In fact the stone is mentioned if you look at verse 10, “for who has despised the day of small things? Men will rejoice when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.” Plumb line is actually the word “stone” in Hebrew. Now what makes me wonder about this, Melissa, is that the stone is written on, engraved on. We believe now that the white stone is our identity, our original identity. Remember, Revelations says “he will write on the white stone a new name.”

So, is it possible then, that the stone can be tied to the DNA? Which I think it may be. Tied to the original identity. And uh, in counseling terms we call this our core identity or who we really are. Now we are wondering if the white stone is our core, who we were created to be.


OK we have some questions now.


Mary Beth: for a few days now I have felt some tingling going around my head. Will you help me discern what this is please?


OK Brian, could you get Mary Beth on the screen. OK Mary Beth, there you are. So Mary Beth I feel the clouds. You are discerning the clouds I think..


Mary Beth: My whole torso is covered with tingles.

Paul: I feel many kinds of tingling, so I have to ask the Lord, am I discerning Mt. Zion, or the Council, or discerning horses or the clouds. When I say the “clouds”, now I’m talking to you, I think you are discerning the clouds. When I ask God the questions it intensifies. Where do you live?


Mary Beth: Pittsburgh

Paul: Pittsburg? Well welcome.




Brian C. Mary Beth, how long have you been feeling this tingling?


Mary Beth: Today or in general?


Brian C. In general, what I’m getting at is that it may be that you’ve been discerning something over the last couple days because God has been releasing this new revelation.


Mary Beth….(note from me: this is very garbled. I think she is saying she has noticed it for the last month and especially as she is reading Paul’s books. She says she has had a sensation on the back of her head since this meeting started.


Paul: OK now Mary Beth, when you when you feel that, that is the Destroyer. It’s actually the Destroyer and the coals. Put your hand back there again. That’s the Destroyer.


Mary Beth (also very garbled) And then, during this meeting … I got tingles here (indicating the upper right side of her head and here indicating the upper left.


Paul: Put your hand up on the right hand side … you are discerning the host, the army of God, On the other side, that feels like angels there. That may be where you discern the angels.


She is indicating a sensation on the top right which she says is non-stop. Paul says that’s an angel. Paul: I think that angel is a message carrier. Just listen and see if you hear anything. Did you hear something?


Mary Beth: I don’t trust myself. All that comes to me is TRUST.

Paul: That’s IT! Oh and you just said you don’t trust yourself. And the Lord said TRUST. (He recommends she get the teaching Spiritual Servants of the Most High God and practice her gift. He says that she is very discerning. He recommends she get Servants of the Most High God and practice.


Paul: OK Brian, I think there is another comment.


Uh… Edina? She writes: I know a man whom in prayer a prayer meeting, saw a black cloud over his head. This might be a negative word spoken over him. He had a horrible childhood of physical and verbal abuse plus a life filled with ridicule.


Paul: You know, I’ve wondered about that. Remember PIG PEN in the cartoon Peanuts? And he had the black cloud around him? Is it possible that our words do form these clouds and then, they somehow affect us? I think there is more about this in scripture than we have been able to discover yet.


Question: “Could you tell us how you came up with the theory that our words are forming a cloud?”


Paul: I cannot tell you. It’s like I get these ideas


Man: So it’s just an idea?


Paul: It’s an idea. But when you start looking at the context…in many places, it’s about words. In the passage about clouds without rain, it’s all about speaking in the paragraph before that.


Man: That makes sense.


Paul: Now we are going to add one more thing to the mix and then I’m done with what I know. In fact, I have told you more about what I don’t know than what I know. So, last Thursday in our youth group. I started feeling a new feeling on my head. It felt like a bridge. (Gestures an arch over the top of his head.) We were together in Granada Hills last Saturday, and I thought “what is this?” Somehow we got the word that it’s a rainbow. And then we got, Revelation Chapter 10: (Now this is all tied together somehow, but I have no clue how.)


Rev. 10:1-3

I saw still a mighty angel coming down from heaven, robed in a cloud (you can’t make this stuff up), with a rainbow on his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He set his right foot on the see and his left foot on the land, and he gave a shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seen thunders spoke, and when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”




And I realized I am feeling the rainbow angel. And I can actually feel it. This is a big angel. I have another gate. Is the rainbow a gate?


Group experience going on now. Feeling for the rainbow. One man said he saw a word to enter in the rainbow. Proceeded to walk through and said he felt tingling and proceeded to another dimension. More discussion on this.


Paul: This word came on Saturday. “There is more, there is so much more. You are just scratching the surface. You can just climb up on the rainbow. These are entry points, stair steps to take you higher in my kingdom, so many places to explore, more, more, more, more. Think higher. Remove today, the restraints of your thinking. I take out the ceilings. I have heard the prayers of your heart. The bowls are full, the bowls are just being poured out, and rainbow colors are resulting. These are the bridges to heaven.”


I thought last Thursday the word I got was bridge.


“ Travel it’s stair steps as you go from color to color stair step entry point, like Jacobs ladder. It’s inside the whirlwind. Each color is a different dimension … a different hall way to explore transition. “


And there is a tying in of the living stones and colors… so here we go again.

As you read down more in Revelation 10:2 “he had a little book in his hand”. Isn’t that intriguing? Inquiring minds want to know, what’s in that little book?

Now this is a very big angel, and he has a book that we can look at, that’s very tiny book. (At this point he reads the scripture of Rev. 10 as highlighted above, once more and continues with Rev. 4-7


Now if indeed this is that angel, then this must be an important time.

OK, we have some comments:


Mary Beth: I have tingling on my right side and my head above my ear. As you talked about the rainbow angel I felt energy buffet me on my left, almost like wind blowing, and it’s tingly.


Louise: (can’t understand what he says here) 9:14…it shall come to pass when I bring a cloud over the earth that the bowl shall be seen in the cloud.


Paul: Interesting…


Terry: I keep getting the name Star Wars which seems totally unconnected with what they are talking about. Any thoughts?


Paul: No idea yet.





Paul : What is a Moebius strip?


Brian: A Moebius strip is an infinite loop so if you take a strip of paper and twist it and link it and draw a line on the surface it will draw all the way around and connect itself.


Now Paul stands up and begins to sense things.

Paul: I think this is how I feel a gate, I put my hand here and I feel a gate…. Wow…there is so much power with this. Which way do we walk through?

Now he reaches slightly back and says “ now that feels like the destroyer.. that feels different than this…indicating the gate he felt earlier.


Lady: Remember there is lions on both sides of the rainbow.

Paul: There are lions on both sides of the gate. We didn’t’ know last Saturday that it was a gate. Sensing and says “ why is this different that this?

Calls up person from the group to figure out what is being sensed.

Summation: There is a gate to the east that opens up to many compartments.

There is a gate opposite it that has a path that goes up to a brick wall. Paul steps into that gate, and feels the wall, but comments that he feels great evil. The question is asked if God wants anything done about it. The woman who is assisting Paul suddenly says she is seeing the Western wall of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. She is saying the eastern gate is like the garden of Eden.

The comment is made by another person, that the eastern gate in Jerusalem is sealed and scripture says it will be till the last days. The lady standing says she is seeing the wailing wall, and Paul says that is where they roll up pieces of paper and stuff them into the wall. She asks if there is an Eastern Gate and Paul confirms that there is. She is indicating that something about the gates in the room have to do with the gate and wall in Jerusalem. She indicates the gate in the room goes to a garden. (Garden of Eden?) More discussion here.




Paul: On Saturday there were words. So there are actually words here. The words were behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. Now he feels the air and says: Now there is something written right here on the gate.


Uh, Samuel, are we meant to ask the Rainbow angel to do something or are we to ask the Lord to ask the Rainbow Angel to do something. So do we know what we are to do? Lady says: Jeremiah 19:2

Looks like it’s in Latin.. Pray, Lord will you give me the interpretation


Paul asks the other lady to read the scripture.

Jeremiah 19:2

And go forth into the valley of Ben Hinnom, near the entrance of the Potsherd Gate. There proclaim the words I tell you, and say, Hear the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah and the people of Jerusalem. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel says: Listen! I am going to bring a disaster on this place that will make the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle.

Paul: So the valley of Hinnom is where they used to sacrifice to Molech.


Paul to lady standing: Do you have an interpretation yet?

Lady: I just keep seeing “The Narrow Way”. I feel there is a little window of opportunity here, to get over there…

Another Lady: I see King of Kings and Lord of Lords draws near.


Paul: OK , So I think we are to walk through them right? I’ll get behind you. Others get up to file through the gate. Paul says, where ever you are just walk through by faith. Then he says, “Oh my, this is very powerful. Where are we? We have literally gone to a new place, the anointing is very pronounced. So those of you who are seers, look and see what you can see when you go through.”


Paul: Ok, I don’t know where we are now… I don’t get a “hit” with the garden of Eden.

Raleen: I see a sign that says “Behold, The Great and Awful Day of the Lord. These 3 fingers are going off … (she wiggles her fingers.) Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor.

Paul: You just walked in to that realm .. so Lord what realm is this?

Raleen: Its very light, bright, bright…bright as the sun.


Other lady: I was hearing .. Kingdom of Light

Paul: Ok, there is something about the Kingdom of Light. That was a very strong hit. So we need someone to look up Kingdom of Light.

Brian, do you want to do some research on the Kingdom of Light?


Colossians 1: 11-12 … being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience and joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.

Another lady: My hand was closed when we went through and now it’s wet.

Paul: Wet?

Lady: It feels like really sweaty. And my face is hot.

Paul: Yeah, I feel that.

Lady: Like cheeks and forehead.


Paul: Kingdom of Light. This is a new place. NKJ is not even close to that.

Paul: Let me look at another version. I wonder why NIV picks up Kingdom of Light. It doesn’t seem to say. This is awkward because I know we are being recorded, and I know this is on the web…and I don’t know that I don’t know where we are. So this is not the council, this is not the Ancient of Days, it is not with the clouds,


Raleen: is it the place of his rest?

Paul: It is A place of rest.

Lady: I felt the light was going right through my head.

Paul: There is something about light.

Lady: I felt that it was penetrating right through my head.

Paul: That is what I’m discerning right now. But I can’t tell where we are.

Melissia: I’m seeing shiny things. I keep hearing Father of Lights.

Paul: Well that’s in James. We are discerning the Father of Lights. That’s what we are discerning. The Father is the father of Lights.


James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.


This is the Father of Lights. We are in the realm of the Father of Lights.


At this point people online are contributing and asking questions.

Someone named Sonia is now speaking:


Sonia: So recently I had a dream and I was discerning something new that I didn’t know, so I called Larry Pierson. So this is what I discerned, which I discovered is what we are going through right now.


Paul: So this is the Father of Lights.

Sonia: This is the Father of Lights and this is who we are. This is also who we are and we have a sound, a lions roar. But we need to know this in His presence. We need to know that who we are, our white stone, our core identity, before the Father of Lights. And there is like a knowing and a coming up through the clouds. We need the clouds, to be above the clouds, not beneath them nor in them. Its almost like we are above them with the Father.


Paul: Right, this is strong.


Sonia: Yes! This is so exciting! That’s why we see the shiny things around us. It’s like the treasure of who Father is. It’s the treasure of the kingdom of lights. It’s like we come above out of the kingdom of darkness, out of the poverty mindset, out of the victim mindset, into the treasure, into who we are in the kingdom.


Paul: This is what we need to declare. We spend all our time building up the bad clouds, with our complaining and negative words.


Sonia: So what I did when I came into that place and it was witnessed with Larry, I roared! And it blew all that darkness away. As it blew, it cleaned up the defilement, it cleaned up the words, it cleaned up the sound. It just blasted all of the dirt off it. It was incredible.


Paul: So did you know that before today that you were discerning the kingdom of light.


Sonia: I did.


Paul: Wow, that is pretty amazing!


Sonia: I don’t think I’m the only one. I think Father is doing this with his children,

because Larry witnessed it. It resonated with him. I think it’s corporate. Yeah, it’s corporate.


Melissia: I’m stuck her at James 1:18 says:” of his own will He brought us forth by the word of his truth, that we might be a kind of first fruit of his creatures.


Paul: Yes


Melissia: For some reason I’m seeing that’s kind of like ..uh.. the royalty part of it, that we are the first fruits of his creation.


Paul: There is something about that. Again this is tied to Romans 8, “that all creation is waiting for the revealing of the Sons of God.”


Melissia: Then right after that it goes into “every little headline has something to do with your words, doers and hearers. “So then my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath, for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.’ And then it says, be doers not hearers only, it goes into the un-tamable tongue, heavenly versus demonic wisdom, pride promotes strife, humility, cares, worldliness, do not judge a brother.

The other thing that is striking me is verse 27, “pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this, to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.”


Paul And look at Chapter 3 verse 16: “ For where envy and self seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.” This is all about the tongue. All about that in that context, that is where every evil thing is. Go to James 3: 16

So we are with the Father of Lights. Rayleen, if you could get up here. Ok there is an angel there. It’s not the Rainbow angel. Its something different. Lord, what do you want to say to us. It almost feels like we are at the bottom of a bowl.


Rayleen: It feels like it’s shifting and moving. There is something moving all around me.

Paul, when you stepped over there … step over a little more. It’s stronger.


Rayleen: Yes, there is stabilization here.

Paul: I hear a sound there. Its not the tongues of angels, it’s not the stars, not the saints singing.


Rayleen: It’s an oscillation. It’s different from what I’ve heard before. It’s coming from behind. Through this way..


Paul: Put your hand up in front again. Right there. What is that?

Rayleen: It tingles ..

Paul” That’s an angel there.

Raylee: Another angle.

Man: I see someone dancing

Paul: He sees someone dancing. I get the words, “stay with this, this is complicated.” So we have to stay with this. This is complicated. OK Lord….

“You are in new territory, a new way of thinking.. Joseph what are you getting?


Rayleen: Something has changed ..

Joseph: I see a person going like this (makes the movement of a discus thrower) I’m not sure if it is dancing.


Rayleen: All I can tell you is that if feels like something is orbiting around this angel. And there is movements being made. But it comes and goes around.


Joseph: What color is it?

Rayleen: it’s purple. Bluish-Purple. I feel that we are supposed to catch whatever it is that is orbiting. (She steps over to a new spot and Paul says that spot feels better to him.

Paul: you just stepped into the angel now.

Rayleen: Before that it was going around. Now it’s stopped . s

Paul: Sonia is there a sound she is needing to release? I think you may get a sound, Rayleen. When I said the word “sound”, that was it. There is a sound that needs to be released. No pressure Rayleen….


Rayleen: Of course not. By faith…. Haaaaaaaaa.

Paul: Ok, now the angel is doing something. It’s like sparkling or … there is like power coming off the angel.

Paul: Like static electricity coming off the angel.

Rayleen: Are we all supposed to be feeling this. I’m shaking my core.

Paul: I can feel it.

Lady in the group: Something cracked open.

Paul: Something cracked open?

Lady: Yeah. Like a coconut shell, real hard cracked open when she made the sound with her voice.

Paul: anyone on the internet get anything? We are still in the Father of Lights area. Can anyone else see what is coming off the angel. Like static electricity.

Another Lady: earlier, and I don’t know if it’s literal, but I saw like a balloon animal being made. You talked about static electricity. Balloons create static. I kept seeing something around her. Like it was making something.


Brian: I was hearing words like the “sparkling and the shining like the firmament.” So I found Daniel 12:3 “Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the firmament and those who turn many to righteousness, like the bright stars forever and ever.


Paul: Brian, that was right on. I wonder if the word firmament means .. when you said that Brian, it was a total “hit”. It’s expansion. That’s what it says. Firmament or expansion. Um, hammer out ,expanse… it identifies Gods heavenly expanse, or the open expanse of he heavens.

Marybeth, when she said “crack”, I have tingling on the very top center of my head. So that’s what his place of the Father of Lights feels like, tingling on the top of my head.

Norma: Vibrations coming from my feet upward.

Paul: Yeah my feet are vibrating also, Norma.

Rayleen: It’s part of the electricity. I don’t think it IS electricity, but it’s the closest thing like it.

Paul: Ok, so we started with the clouds and I talked about the Destroyer and the Engraver, and then, the Rainbow Angel. I’m trying to see how this all connects somehow. I haven’t figured it out yet. I just got the sense “stay with this, it’s complicated.” Ok Lord. This is like hard work right now…isn’t it? We’ve got no frame of reference for this. “Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard what I have for you.” I can tell you the anointing is amazing! And the power is astonishing! There is something about this being the firmament, the expanse of heaven. Did you say Melissa, when you first looked in that there was a wide open space?


Sonia, talk to us. Is the firmament the crystal sea? I think it is… yes.


Sonia: (starts out garbled). Then she says: Its like I slid from a hill through the clouds. I’m sliding down beneath the clouds to a place below the hill. The angels pick me up and flew me back through the clouds till I was on top. That’s my dream. So positionally, our core identity, we slid away from it, and the angel, who was the Rainbow Angel, flew me back through the clouds and above the clouds to the firmament. My identity shown and I blew the sound.





Paul: So you made a sound also in your dream?

Sonia:   Yes

Paul: Oh you did! Did you tell us this before?

Sonia: No.

Paul: That’s very interesting. So you made a sound also


Rayleen: Paul when I came over this way, did I enter through the gate? And, is the wailing wall this block wall right here?


Paul: Ok, take your hand and put it back over there like that. Yes that’s the block wall there or that’s the wailing wall.


Rayleen:   I hear wailing, and crying, crying.

Paul : There is religion and trapped people trapped behind that wall, or in that wall. Melissa….


Melissa: I keep thinking it’s the golden bowl that was broken when you guys were talking about the crack. I had tingles at the top center of my head. When you pointed there I saw the crack in the bowl and that is the wailing – wall where they put the prayers. It seems there is something there about intercession.


Paul: Yes I think that is true. Now that goes back down to the clouds. Because intercession is when they would write and that went back up into the clouds.


Rayleen: And I’m feeling the wailing wall is full .

Paul: When you said that it was VERY strong.


Rayleen: I feel like its full, … is it part of the bowl or is it the bowl?

Paul: it feels like it is the bowl. But why is it “a” bowl? Know what?

Melissa: Are these ungodly prayers?

Paul: These ARE ungodly prayers.

Lady: Maybe because this is religion?

Paul: Yes. It’s religion and self effort.

Sonia: And positionally wrong. The prayers are not …

Paul: They are going to a wall. (Someone online says: What can a wall do for you?

Paul. Exactly



Rayleen: There is something about the wailing- wall… what is it? How did it get put there to start with?

Paul: It’s the wall left over from Herod’s temple.

Rayleen: There is something wrong. I feel like this angel is grieved.

Melissa: I get the sense it’s because the prayers never went up. They stopped .. they are in the wall. It’s like a tomb.


Paul: I think that’s true,the prayers are stopped up.

Melissa reading off her iPhone: The wailing -wall definition is a wall sacred to Jews in Jerusalem, which is a place of prayer and lamentation. Its stones are believed to have formed part of the temple of Solomon.


Paul: I believe it’s part of Herod’s wall because Herod’s wall had stones that had a notch engraved into them so you can tell which ones goes back to Rome. I actually think that if you go underneath that wall you will get to Solomons’ wall.


Young Man: This question is for myself, how many people have physcally been to the wall? And how many have placed a prayer in the wall?


Paul: I’ve seen that take place and there …

Rayleen: There is something about putting something into this wall instead of going to the stone the builders have rejected.

Paul: Ohhh, there is something about that.

Rayleen; So, this is not Gods covenant with anyone other than His people, maybe…I don’t know. Is this the law? Stuck in the law?

Norma: Ungodly prayers coming from soul and bouncing back. Prayers not going up. Vibrations… (can’t understand what is being said here).

Louise: Could it be that the wall has become like the brazen serpent that then became and idol?


Paul: It’s almost like magic isn’t it? You put the prayer into the wall and some magic happens.

Jackie: I’m hearing the cry like a warrior going into battle.

Rayleen: I’m getting the sense that the wall needs to come down. I’m getting the sense that it’s holding back something. It’s blocking access to that gate.

Paul: The heavenly places. In fact Jesus said to the Pharisees “ you shut up heaven. Neither do you go in nor do you let anyone else go in.”

Rayleen: That’s it!   Paul: That’s it? Rayleen: That’s it! It has been instituted to not let anyone else go in.

Paul: Ok, Rayleen, when you start doing that, there is now a deliverance coming off.

Melissa: It’s clouds that never were released. It’s prayers that never got uttered. Rayleen: It’s like they were bought with a price.

Paul: They never became part of his glory. They became part of religion by not his glory.

Melissa: They are wailing because it’s prayers that never got answered. Prayers that were never heard.

Rayleen: Father hates this. Father hates this!


Paul: Lord, we come to agree with this. We want to see this destroyed Lord for your glory. Melissa?


Melissa: I just saw the Engraver and the Destroyer. Engraver, writing, writing, writing on the wall. Writing on the wall and the Destroyer.


Paul: I feel the Destroyer now. There’s the Destroyer. Actually, he is destroying that wall. I think he’s destroying that wall. It’s a wall of religion. The prayers didn’t go to the father, the father of lights. There is still deliverance. This is where I feel evil (right upper head on the side) and I feel evil come off. I don’t feel the angel any more. So what just happened? I always have need to put things together so they make some sort of sense.


Young Man: I just got a sense that there was a path established in the beginning that was corrupted and destroyed the world but created the rainbow as another path to establish the world again. Then it was blocked again by religion and the corruption and striving of man away from God to other things. That God wants to reestablish the path or righteousness. A path to Him that is unblocked that’s open. That’s why he came, to take away the veils, the walls, the blockages, and the divisions between himself and his people.


Paul: I am wondering if this deliverance is coming off of us also.

Rayleen: I feel something from the belly like …

Paul: (walking by each person) There is something coming off all of us… yes, you too…   Whatever just happened Rayleen, there is something coming off us;

unrighteous prayers in our generational line.


Rayleen: And there is something about money.

I’m hearing “bought and paid for”. You know when ministries say, ‘send in your donations and your little prayers’. So like they sold what wasn’t theirs to sell.


Paul: in the western wall, did they ever put money in the wall?

Melissa: What I keep hearing is “ungodly offerings”

Paul: Ok it’s ungodly offerings … that’s very strong. Do we have a prayer to repent for ungodly intercession? Why is this different?

So there is actually a deliverance coming off. This is the 6th eye of the Lord.

If you look at Isaiah 11 (I’m actually nauseous now),


Some discussion with the group happening here… random snippits.


Paul: I want to ask… Lord what is unique about this deliverance we are going through right now? There is something unique about this that we have not done before. Its coming off right here (gestures to belly) this is knowledge. Its contaminated this eye of the Lord.


Rayleen: I’m just gonna tell you what I hear … It’s about pregnancy. There is something that needs to be birthed, and it’s the fullness of time for it.


Paul: OK Sonia and Norma both feel deliverance coming off.


Rayleen: It’s where the spirit of might is, up under the rib cage.


Paul: I really feel it’s knowledge. Does anyone have any understanding why this is unique? What is different about this? It has something to do with that wall.


Rudy: We keep bringing up the rainbow. The rainbow actually represented the covenant made with Noah. I believe he is trying to reestablish that covenant because we have broken the covenant by turning into the way of religion, trying to bypass what is already rightfully ours.


Paul: Yeah…Yeah. That’s all part of this, absolutely. I don’t have my A-HAAH yet. Its right, but there is something more. I don’t get it yet. Lord what is it?


More random comments from the group


Ephesians 2:14-15 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace.


Ok Sarah, there is something about that. There is something about the dividing wall between Religion and the Law. I’ve been feeling nauseous for a while.


Lady: Could it be enmity?

Paul: it could be but I don’t feel a hit.

Man: Earlier, I could feel it’s a stronghold.

Paul: You are doing very well, but I don’t have my AH-HAAH yet.

So what is the stronghold? It’s a belief I think.


Rudy: A belief system that has been embedded into us over the centuries that has bound us to religion.

Paul: Ok, you are getting really close now.

Rayleen: Could it be wailing because it’s the wailing wall… we have a false idea that you have to cry and sacrifice to get Gods attention or to hear the prayers.


Paul: Now that’s close but not as close as where he is going (pointing to Rudy).

Where are you going Rudy, we are going to dig the gold out.


Lousie: The western wall was believed to be close to the holy of holies and by keeping it in place, the Jews believe Gods presence has never departed. AH..That’s getting closer too Louise.


Rudy: The Jews are crying out for the Messiah. They are crying out as never before because of all that is going on. So could it be that religion has put them in a place where they are crying for the Messiah, but he has already come and its easy for them to be reunited with him right now.


Paul: I have a scroll in my mouth, (asking Rudy to read it)


Rudy: These are the judgments that have already been written. We need to release those judgments that have already been written. Look into my word and you will see what I have established for you will begin to see the finished work of Calvary. As you begin to look deep, deep, deep, into my word for it is now the season for the sons of God to release those judgments that have been established. Ask of me and I will show you these things. For you are to be my mouth-piece, for you shall speak the judgments that are already written.

For the enemy’s time is short. There are many around you that are lost and there are many that are walking dead. Open your mouth and release the judgments that are already written … judgments of love, joy and peace.

Judgments of life, of restoration. I have called each one of you by name and I have given you these mysteries. Look and find the judgments that have already been written. By faith I open this scroll and I release the judgments that have already been written.


Paul: Lord we come into agreement with that.


We declare that the enemy is defeated, that he is stripped of all of his power. We bind every deceptive spirit that has been released over the earth and we loose the angles of light to begin to bring the revelation of son-ship and adoption. In Jesus Name.


Melissa: I just got the sense that the wailing-wall could be a counterfeit for those who are looking for the messiah still. The reason it was coming off the knowledge was the release of the deception that has been on the knowledge.

2 Timothy 3, is talking about never perceiving the truth. I felt that is why it was coming off that area.



Paul: OK. Sonia got Ephesians 2:18-22; For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises up to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him, you too are being built together to become an dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.


There is something about the spoken vs. the written word…There is something about the spoken and the thoughts. About taking every thought captive. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he, whatever is good and pure and right, think on those things.


Rayleen: When Rudy was reading the scroll and he opened to release the judgments, it was releasing reprieves. What are reprevals? Documents of my reprevel.


To repreve is to cancel or postpone punishment.


Paul: What comes to my mind is a question we’ve been asking since we have been talking about the revelations of the Sons of God. And the question was/is why is it that we have to come to earth. What is important about us being on the earth? And then we have the revelation of Clouds and indeed if there is something about our words, our thoughts that then… (I have to be careful how I say this), that because of the law of the universe by God, that somehow we have to utter forth what is to come. I think Theologically we need to develop this

Because again it’s this idea that the Lord says we need to pray. Some people think that prayer doesn’t really make that much difference but it appears to make all the difference, and what we speak makes a difference, what we bless makes a difference. So what is it about us understanding the revealed Sons of God that we need to speak to release the judgment? It has been written that when we come into agreement with the Spirit of God and His will, and we come into agreement and utter that, … then something happens.


Rudy: When we’re praying and pleading? Or are we declaring and releasing?


Paul: The second is what it should be. Our Spirit doesn’t know how to pray so His Spirit interprets for us. So, I want to say this carefully again, I don’t know if in the laws he set up in heaven and earth if He can act outside our agreement. Even the agreement of the coming Messiah is spoken. There is much to ponder about this. And this has something to do about being in this kingdom of the Father of Lights, and about taking our position in the heavenly places. We are kings and priests.


Rudy: What do Kings do?

Paul: They reign and make declarations.

Rudy: Are we doing it? Paul: Yes. Priests intercede.

Rudy: Priests intercede and present the Father to the people. They bring to the people Kings who decree and declare and then when that word is released, now angels can grab ahold of it and make it come to pass.


Paul: Is it that our agreement … our prayers, our words that then form the clouds and it’s those words that present the Son of Man to the Ancient of Days and says, “see we have agreed with you about this”, which the fallen sons of man have not done.


Man: Dominion, is it about praying in a place of dominion?

Paul: Yes. You said one statement and it was excellent.

Melissa: I keep hearing that love covers a multitude of sin. It is sort of like he is asking us to release the judgments with mercy. Like his judgments are.


Paul: Its judgments against the enemy that then release his love and his mercies.

Why don’t you declare that in closing prayer?


Man: Something I keep hearing over and over in my mind … do you remember the sons of Skiva? People went to cast the demons out of these people through the Jesus that Paul preaches about. The demons laughed at them and said, “

Jesus I know and Paul I know but who are you? They didn’t know who they were. A child of King doesn’t ask for anything. The child of the King already has it. But a good King doesn’t go outside the agreement, the covenant he has with his people. So when a child of the king asks for something outside of the scope that the king has declared is the law of the land, it’s an embarrassment.

A child of the King is in agreement, relationship and fellowship with the King that says this is what is happening it happens. There is no question, no argument.

there is no discussion, it just takes place. Period. Prince William with the full agreement of his Grandmother and his Father says “we’re going to do this”… it happens. Everybody is happy that it happens. It’s not a question, not a discussion, there is not an argument. It just takes place. When you know who you are, and you speak it, understanding what your Fathers will is, you pray according to his will, you have what you ask. You are not really asking, you are just saying what he already said.


Paul: Because you are in agreement with Him. I’m going to leave you with one more thought and then we’ll stop. We are getting closer to understanding what it means to be a revealed Son of God, and to take our position. And I have a sense that we have developed this biblically and theologically and my sense is this is one of the mysteries of the Kingdom. This may be THE mystery of the Kingdom. What does it mean for us to take authority over creation under the God Head. You see, everyone is trying to take authority over the earth according to religion or new age or whatever. What does it mean to be in Christ and step up to the plate so-to-speak.


Rudy: Jesus, we can agree was a man as he walked the earth. Did he not take dominion over nature?

Paul: Absolutely.

Rudy: So if he did it, he is our example, then we can do it.

Paul: He only did what the Father was doing.

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